Half-Orc Kensai II/Monk/Rogue

[aristarchus1000]

Hi Folks, would love some feedback on this build. It was inspried by the numerous 12 F/8 monk builds (like the Godhand http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=228369. I wanted UMD for some versatility, scrolling fireshield/blur and heal scrolls, so I splashed rogue at first level, and increased INT slightly to meet those goals. Otherwise, this is an unarmed fighter that takes advantage of the numerous Kensai/Monk synergies to dish out massive fist damage. He could potentially hate tank with gear and racial enhancements, but as of now he doesn't have a lot of damage reduction, so he's basically doing it barbarian style. Main objectives are dps and stunning build. Lots of Toughness for hitpoints, perhaps over-did it, I'm seeing what I need to swap out. That said, 669 hitpoints with pretty minimal grind sounds pretty nice.

Thanks for feedback in advance!

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Arisgard
Level 20 Lawful Neutral Half-Orc Male
(12 Fighter / 7 Monk / 1 Rogue)
Spell Points: 0

BAB: 17/17/22/2727
Fortitude: 17
Reflex: 16
Will: 12

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20)
Strength 18 23
Dexterity 15 17
Constitution 14 16
Intelligence 12 14
Wisdom 12 14
Charisma 6 8

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 20)
Balance 7 14
Bluff -2 -1
Concentration 4 26
Diplomacy -2 -1
Disable Device n/a n/a
Haggle 2 3
Heal 1 2
Hide 3 8
Intimidate 2 18
Jump 6 11
Listen 1 4
Move Silently 3 6
Open Lock 7 8
Perform n/a n/a
Repair 1 2
Search 1 2
Spot 5 6
Swim 2 5
Tumble 7 8
Use Magic Device 2 25

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Haggle (+4)
Skill: Intimidate (+4)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness

Level 2 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+3)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting

Level 3 (Fighter)
Skill: Intimidate (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Use Magic Device
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Bludgeoning Weapons

Level 4 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1.5)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack

Level 5 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+3)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Harmonious Balance: Fists of Light

Level 6 (Fighter)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Quick Draw
Feat: (Selected) Stunning Blow

Level 7 (Fighter)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)

Level 8 (Fighter)
Skill: Intimidatee (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Weapon Fighting

Level 9 (Fighter)
Skill: Intimidate (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness

Level 10 (Fighter)
Skill: Concentration (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Bludgeoning Weapons

Level 11 (Fighter)
Skill: Concentration (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)

Level 12 (Fighter)
Skill: Concentration (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Bludgeoning Weapons
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons

Level 13 (Fighter)
Skill: Concentration (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)

Level 14 (Fighter)
Skill: Concentration (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Weapon Fighting

Level 15 (Fighter)
Skill: Concentration (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness

Level 16 (Fighter)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Bludgeoning Weapons

Level 17 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+3)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1.5)

Level 18 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness

Level 19 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+3)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness

Level 20 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+3)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Hitpoints:
120 fighter
56 monk
6 rogue
20 Heroic
10 Draconic
20 Minos
102 Toughness x 5
40 Fighter Toughness enhancement
20 Racial Toughness enhancements
120 con (14+2+6 = 22 con)
30 GFL
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544 before shroud easy
45 shroud
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589 unbuffed
20 rage
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609 hitpoints, not including madstone, yugo pots, etc.

Stunning Blow:
10+ 17 (18+2 tome+3 fighter enh+2 horc enh+8 power surge+6 item + 5 levels ups = 44 strength before buffs) + 4 fighter tactics + +2 Kensai I and II + 10 stunners = 43.
Probably can get into mid to high 40s with Titan's Grip, madstone, pots, etc.

[dumbbunny]

First thing i note is you dont pick up any rogue skills really. takes some gear investment but the build can hit any trap in the game well geared and buffed. second i personally would not take 5 toughness feats i have a similar build except wf with 3. stands at 620 hp which is plenty. second your hp calculations are a bit off... 22 con is +6 which is equal to 120 hp not 220.... so drop 100 hp from your final estimate. your stun forgets to add in the fighter kensai bonuses or you include that but dont spend 1 ap on the fighter stuns which i strongly advise at least 2 ranks in. my stuns with buffs are at a 41 and only land 75% or so in epics. Finally for any fist build it is MUCH better dps to use dual burst rings than the +2 stat on the rings from tod.
to sum it up
drop +2 con ring
contribution from con is 100 points lower
stuns should easily get 2 points higher.
and id suggest some rogue skills.
actual hp should be more like this:
120 fighter
56 monk
6 rogue
20 Heroic
10 Draconic
20 Minos
102 Toughness x 5
40 Toughness enhancement
120 con (14+2+6 = 22 con)
30 GFL
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524 before shroud easy
45 shroud
----
569
20 rage
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589 no yugo pots/madstone
also remember that the con yugo pot is a hidden -5% attack speed

[aristarchus1000]

Dumbbunny, thanks for taking the time to look it over, without an updated character builder I know some things fell through the cracks! I'll update the original post, and +1 rep.

Regarding rogue skills. Yeah, I looked at that carefully, but I wasn't able to fit it in. With the Half-orc -2 int, the highest reasonable INT for this character is 12 before I need to spend 2 build points per point of INT. That just seem to be too much of a sacrifice for this type of build. I started at 12 Int (14-2), and could barely max out UMD and Concentration, both skills that I consider more important. I don't think this character can max out 2 more cross-class skills (DD and Search). If you've played a similar build, do you agree that maxing out Concentration and UMD are priorities?

Unlike Exploiter builds, this build struggles because it is 1. not human (+1 skill points/level) and 2. Half Orc makes the upper reasonable limit 12 INT. 3. Most fighter, which get only 2 skill points/level default (compared to 4 for ranger and monk).

Regarding the hitpoints... Thank you for the corrections. I seriously considered Warforged because I was concerned about the hitpoints in this build, and I didn't really find a whole lot that I would rather spend feat slots on. I find that any melee finds himself tanking more often than he would like, and under 600 just seemed a little soft. If I was going to create a character that can't tank at-all, then I'm probably better off making a rogue based build which has subtle backstabbing benefits, sneak attack for higher dps.

I'll need to review it again.

Thanks again!

[Maelphistez]

Hey Aris...

I was looking at your stats and they seem a bit wonky... After setting my Str/Dex/Con to match yours, that only left 8 pts for Int/Wis/Cha. Closest I could come to your scores was 12 Int / 10 Wis / 6 Cha when using a 32-point build. Is there something I'm missing?

Also a small thing, Toughness gives 22 HP at 20th (3 at 1st + 19 (+1 at each additional level)) so 5x Toughness = 110 HP, not 102.

[aristarchus1000]

Thanks for the feedback Mael, corrected. Just dropped Charisma.

When I was building the character, I was using a version of the builder that didn't have half-orc so I had to start with a halfling build and modify the stats as needed to make it work.

[dumbbunny]

Dumbbunny, thanks for taking the time to look it over, without an updated character builder I know some things fell through the cracks! I'll update the original post, and +1 rep.

Regarding rogue skills. Yeah, I looked at that carefully, but I wasn't able to fit it in. With the Half-orc -2 int, the highest reasonable INT for this character is 12 before I need to spend 2 build points per point of INT. That just seem to be too much of a sacrifice for this type of build. I started at 12 Int (14-2), and could barely max out UMD and Concentration, both skills that I consider more important. I don't think this character can max out 2 more cross-class skills (DD and Search). If you've played a similar build, do you agree that maxing out Concentration and UMD are priorities?

Unlike Exploiter builds, this build struggles because it is 1. not human (+1 skill points/level) and 2. Half Orc makes the upper reasonable limit 12 INT. 3. Most fighter, which get only 2 skill points/level default (compared to 4 for ranger and monk).

Regarding the hitpoints... Thank you for the corrections. I seriously considered Warforged because I was concerned about the hitpoints in this build, and I didn't really find a whole lot that I would rather spend feat slots on. I find that any melee finds himself tanking more often than he would like, and under 600 just seemed a little soft. If I was going to create a character that can't tank at-all, then I'm probably better off making a rogue based build which has subtle backstabbing benefits, sneak attack for higher dps.

I'll need to review it again.

Thanks again!

sorry about the delay in responding im only a random forum troller
for the skills i would generally be running in fire stance for the stun dcs on this build and typically have power surge up so thats 4 ki a swing... you cant use it fast enough at that point so 2-3 swings will bring your ki up to any strike you ever need. also the con should get you to the first strike since you dont have the expensive ones so concentration is kind of moot imo however i dont know for sure that you can hit the epic traps with only 12 intel i would have to check it out. i am getting them on a fighter with MOST of the gear at lvl 20 12/7/1 but i will need to throw together an 12 intel setup to see what you need to get to them

once again sorry for the delay and ill try to get a quick response about the skills out to ya

edit: ok my chargen is crashing when i try to go to stats so will work on it later ?maybe? but when im thinking about it you would probably need a tr and pump intel to 13 and a +3 tome for all the traps. its still a couple points behind the 14 intel i used but it does work out with good gear and with max gear and spec you can make them with a bard song first life i think but may not be worth it.

however i would still suggest dropping most of the concentration points as they really are just fluff on a kensai 2 and maybe drop intel to account for it or just throw the points into something else for fun.

[Dark-Star]

The 12f/7m/1r split was posted quite a ways back by Thanimal and myself in two different builds (forget the name of his now). Mine is the Slapper, and you might get some good information from reading the build discussion - hit the link in my sig.

The class split is a very strong one, and four of my guildies have made one, and still play them today with great success. Big DPS, good stun, and if built for it, very high intimidate.

Racially I'd say human or warforged are among the best choices. Half orc could work for a few more boosts, PA enhancements and str, but HO are generally best for two handed fighting. Half elves are probably the best choice now, with double chance of intimidate, human versatility, human healing amp, and some very nice Dilettante choices.

[Zacheal]

Whilst of course concentration is nice for keeping your KI up and and starting with some KI. Dont get too obsessed with it.

You will get KI fast enough not to ever worry about storing it.

Personally Id go half orc if you can or half elf. Both have their str's with this build though id prob go half orc. Half Orc Str + Fighter + stunning enhancements. Are amazing.

I have 0 stats in concentration on my 12/7/1 and I really dont miss it. Might be different if you were pure monk where you need to store enough for at least a stunning fist. But using stunning blow .. why bother ..

[Jhaeran]

Don't want to hijack, but been thinking about the same thing and hopefully my questions below may help you as well.

Dwarf vs Human vs hOrc vs hElf vs WF

Like the build type - tried out a WF, didn't like it at all although I liked the CON. Thought maybe a dwarf would hold up..but while the CON is nice, the other passives aren't really a great synergy other than tactics.

hOrc seems ok, but seems more suited for THF and i really hated the -2 int.

Human or hElf? Haven't played a half elf, so don't know how they'd fare. Usually play human for skills, feat and versatility is nice.

Below is the Dwarf build - similar, except I can get all the skills I need - rogue, balance, some concentration....although he won't be a sneaky bugger. I have assassin on him, but really am not impressed by Assassin I - would most likely drop it and focus the AP more.

Edit: Dropped assassin, picked up a bit more HP and DC

Half Elf version ends up around the same hp, probably a bit less in stun DC. Should rebuild the Dwarf to get the true comparison. For Dilly feat - on initial the only scroll/wand I can qualify for is ranger. Worth spending the extra pts in wis, then at lvl 7 going to fred and swapping ranger for FVS or Cleric?

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12F_7Ro_1Mo 
Level 20 Lawful Neutral Dwarf Male
(12 Fighter \ 1 Monk \ 7 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 426
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 17\17\22\27\27
Fortitude: 17
Reflex: 15
Will: 9

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    26
Dexterity            15                    18
Constitution         16                    20
Intelligence         14                    16
Wisdom               10                    12
Charisma              6                     8

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               6                    22
Bluff                -2                     1
Concentration         3                    13
Diplomacy            -2                     1
Disable Device        6                    25
Haggle               -2                    -1
Heal                  0                     1
Hide                  5                     7
Intimidate           -2                     1
Jump                  7                    21
Listen                4                     5
Move Silently         6                     8
Open Lock             6                     8
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair                2                     3
Search                6                    28
Spot                  4                    23
Swim                  3                     8
Tumble                3                     5
Use Magic Device      2                    25

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Bludgeoning Weapons


Level 3 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness


Level 4 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 5 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Stunning Blow


Level 6 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Use Magic Device


Level 7 (Rogue)


Level 8 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Bludgeoning Weapons


Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 10 (Rogue)


Level 11 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons


Level 12 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 13 (Rogue)


Level 14 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Bludgeoning Weapons


Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 16 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 17 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Quick Draw


Level 18 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 19 (Rogue)


Level 20 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Bludgeoning Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution I
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution II
Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense I
Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense II
Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense III
Enhancement: Dwarven Tactics I
Enhancement: Dwarven Tactics II
Enhancement: Kensei Unarmed Mastery I
Enhancement: Kensei Unarmed Mastery II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei II
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) I
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) II
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) III
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Trip) I
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Trip) II
Enhancement: Fighter Unarmed Specialization I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength III
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness IV

Half Elf Version

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12F_7Ro_1MHE 
Level 20 Lawful Neutral Half-Elf Male
(12 Fighter \ 1 Monk \ 7 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 406
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 17\17\22\27\27
Fortitude: 16
Reflex: 15
Will: 8

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    27
Dexterity            15                    18
Constitution         16                    19
Intelligence         12                    14
Wisdom                8                    10
Charisma              8                    10

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               6                    13
Bluff                -1                     2
Concentration         3                    11
Diplomacy            -1                     2
Disable Device        5                    24
Haggle               -1                     0
Heal                 -1                     0
Hide                  2                     4
Intimidate           -1                     2
Jump                  7                    13
Listen                3                     4
Move Silently         6                     8
Open Lock             6                     8
Perform              n/a                    n/a
Repair                1                     2
Search                4                    25
Spot                  3                    22
Swim                  3                     8
Tumble                3                     5
Use Magic Device      3                    26

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Half-Elf Dilettante) Half-Elf Dilettante: Ranger
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Bludgeoning Weapons


Level 3 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 4 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 5 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Stunning Blow


Level 6 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 7 (Rogue)


Level 8 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Specialization: Bludgeoning Weapons


Level 10 (Rogue)


Level 11 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons


Level 12 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Use Magic Device


Level 13 (Rogue)


Level 14 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Weapon Focus: Bludgeoning Weapons


Level 16 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 17 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Quick Draw


Level 18 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 19 (Rogue)


Level 20 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Bludgeoning Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Kensei Unarmed Mastery I
Enhancement: Kensei Unarmed Mastery II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei II
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) I
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) II
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) III
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) IV
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Trip) I
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Trip) II
Enhancement: Fighter Unarmed Specialization I
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Constitution I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Human Versatility II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength III
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness IV

[aristarchus1000]

Thanks for the added feedback, I didn't expect this thread to get picked up again.

I stopped leveling my character for a bit while I started working on my other characters, but I might pick him back up again.

@dumbbunny and @zachael - The advice to not worry about concentration is definitely helpful, since as a cross-class it's really tough to keep up. I don't think I'll be running rogue skills still other than open lock.

@Dark-star, yeah I saw your build, and it helped me put this one together. I saw Thanimal's build as well, although I didn't see a lot of feedback after the more recent update so I wasn't aware that people are still playing it and enjoying it. Thanks for the feedback.

regarding races: While half-orc certainly gets some a nice THF melee enhancement, the strength/damage bonus also really shine when coupled with the high attack rate of unarmed attacks, especially since you get the full strength bonus on the off-hand attacks. In a way, a Two-hander weapon would given 1.5 strength bonus, but the TWF unarmed build gets 1.8 benefit of the strength bonus.

I prefer Half-orc to WF or Dwarf for purposes of stunning blow, since the +4 to strength (+2 on build, +2 enhancements) essentially gives me +2 to Stunning blow DC without spending "extra" enhancement APs just to raise stunning blow. Half orcs are squishier than WF or dwarf, so I needed the multiple toughness feats to keep up. Unlike builds like the Godhand, however, it won't work quite as well as a hate-hitpoint-tank, since the WF added toughness is certainly nice, particularly with the the availability of items like the DoD.

Anyway, thanks for the feedback. I'm someone inspired to start leveling this character again a bit more, to see how it goes.

[dumbbunny]

regarding races: While half-orc certainly gets some a nice THF melee enhancement, the strength/damage bonus also really shine when coupled with the high attack rate of unarmed attacks, especially since you get the full strength bonus on the off-hand attacks. In a way, a Two-hander weapon would given 1.5 strength bonus, but the TWF unarmed build gets 1.8 benefit of the strength bonus.

I prefer Half-orc to WF or Dwarf for purposes of stunning blow, since the +4 to strength (+2 on build, +2 enhancements) essentially gives me +2 to Stunning blow DC without spending "extra" enhancement APs just to raise stunning blow. Half orcs are squishier than WF or dwarf, so I needed the multiple toughness feats to keep up. Unlike builds like the Godhand, however, it won't work quite as well as a hate-hitpoint-tank, since the WF added toughness is certainly nice, particularly with the the availability of items like the DoD.

Anyway, thanks for the feedback. I'm someone inspired to start leveling this character again a bit more, to see how it goes.

First: its your build so do what you want
second: horc has several advantages and disadvantages the biggest downside imo is the lower hp which makes it harder to take the hits when you pull agro and with that build you will pull agro.
Lastly: if you are not getting rogue skills you do not really need the 12 int and i would strongly suggest dropping it in favor of another stat.