Ddo Is Balanced!

[Pape_27]

You obviously have a very limited understanding of what pvp is... Exploitation is encouraged in PvP... I don't expect to stop anything from being exploited... if a pvp area were to be implemented I expect the player base to rape the hell out of it as often as possible... exploit every last drop out of it. that's what PvP is all about...

I have more than a basic understanding of what pvp is about. You keep saying "If a pvp area is implemented". There already is a pvp area.

Put up a PvP lfm. Go speak to Jackson Laws. Get your own private instance. Get your jollies in there.


Whats so hard to understand about that? There is a mechanism in the game which does exactly what you want. It isnt good enough?


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[Rav'n]

This thread is SOOO Full of Win!!


Kid 1 "My dad can beat up your dad!"

Kid 2 "No he can't, my Dad can beat up YOUR Dad!"

Kid 1 "nuh huh... my dad was on high school foot ball team"

Kid 2 "well... my dad was the Quarterback on the football team"


Dad 1 "hey joe, where you goin' with that gun in your hand....?"

[khaldan]

I'm not convinced :-P I think I'm still putting my money on the well-balanced party. And with new combat feats coming soon to fighters... and of course prestige lines filling out for all classes... WF casters aren't the end-all be-all...

If the caster plays correctly, it's impossible to get to him in melee.

If all spells are allowed, it's really, really impossible for him to get to you in melee. Drop a few firewalls around you with a disco ball, and you're impossible to get to.

The only threatening thing to a caster is a caster or an AA. Everything else just isn't.

[prowessss]

...It may be impossible for a caster to get caught in the pit when he clicks his time warp and bounces around... but a barb with his sprint boost popped is most likely going to catch a caster who just has his personal haste... haste the barbarian and the caster is too busy trying to get away to be offensive... the balanced party then has RDPS a divine an arcane and a wild card laying back in support...
I really think that diversity is the key to success.
disco ball means nothing to the party who was just hit with holy aura. firewalls mean nothing to a bunch of guys with firestorm greaves. (ouch, hey guys watch out for that one, it's a crit, balanced party team caster blows them all away for 15 sp, end of that). And you're forgetting that EVERYONE in the arena is wearing a ioun stone. EVERYONE.


(yes i ignored pape on purpose)

[Burtle]

Anyone else see the irony here?...

[painindaguild]

and thats it, isn't it? PvP is broken/unfair because you don't get something for it? What do you want? A Chest? Renown? Tokens/Ingredients?

Not going to happen. PvP is inherently too open for abuse and exploitation.

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epics already are a place of abuse and eploitation. drop chests, renown, tokens and ingreds
just saying.

sorry for the interruption, keep up the good work!

[shores11]

I disagree! I think the current PvP system is incomplete and lacks incentive.

If I had my vote there would be no PvP in D&D or DDO so what there is currently is way to much.

[shores11]

You obviously have a very limited understanding of what pvp is... Exploitation is encouraged in PvP... I don't expect to stop anything from being exploited... if a pvp area were to be implemented I expect the player base to rape the hell out of it as often as possible... exploit every last drop out of it. that's what PvP is all about...

There are many PvP areas already implemented in several houses? Are you not aware of this?

[prowessss]

FACEPALM HARDCORE...
I appreciate your civility but you're redundantly reiterating points all you carebears make...
PvPers are NOT SATISFIED with the ******** instances. otherwise there would be a legit pvp community! instead I am one of the few who post on here in support of PvP. all you haters intimidated and berated all PvPers away from the community.
And it's besides the point!

NO ONES EVER GOING TO MAKE ANY OF YOU FIGHT!! SO YOU CAN STOP TROLLING THE PvP FORUM!

[eonfreon]

NO ONES EVER GOING TO MAKE ANY OF YOU FIGHT!! SO YOU CAN STOP TROLLING THE PvP FORUM!

Them sound like fighting words to me .

[Mikula]

This isn't exactly trolling. You are allowed to share your views here we are sharing ours, although I admit some people haven't been as kind as they could have in doing so. It isn't a question of being forced to PvP it is a question of having priorities straight.

As you say the PvP community is small here. Most the people who play this game play it for the PvE not the PvP. Any time the devs take to develop new features for PvP they take time away that could be better spent making high level quest chains, or other such things the community as a whole really needs. Add to this the fact that the source material D&D does not encourage PvP and you can see our objection.

I am more than willing to entertain ideas on how to make pvp-ing better but so far everything you have said as it has repeatedly been pointed out is already implemented. You also make a nebulous statement about making 'incentives' which frankly scares me silly.

PvP at most should be a past time while waiting for a party to fill. There should be no rewards for it besides perhaps useless achievements and that I am still very hesitant about. Suddenly introducing rewards for PvP would force people to PvP to get the rewards and that is not the direction this game should go.

Like many PvP threads I sense the cube draws near. Maybe to appease him and move this thread away from childish back and forth name calling you could give some more details on the changes you are asking for here. To this point it has all been fairly vague.

[Bufo_Alvarius]

No pvp MMO has ever been balanced in the history of the world, nor ever will be. Its not possible.

Yours truly,
Former Hardcore Pvper

[prowessss]

This isn't exactly trolling. You are allowed to share your views here we are sharing ours, although I admit some people haven't been as kind as they could have in doing so. It isn't a question of being forced to PvP it is a question of having priorities straight.

As you say the PvP community is small here. Most the people who play this game play it for the PvE not the PvP. Any time the devs take to develop new features for PvP they take time away that could be better spent making high level quest chains, or other such things the community as a whole really needs. Add to this the fact that the source material D&D does not encourage PvP and you can see our objection.

I am more than willing to entertain ideas on how to make pvp-ing better but so far everything you have said as it has repeatedly been pointed out is already implemented. You also make a nebulous statement about making 'incentives' which frankly scares me silly.

PvP at most should be a past time while waiting for a party to fill. There should be no rewards for it besides perhaps useless achievements and that I am still very hesitant about. Suddenly introducing rewards for PvP would force people to PvP to get the rewards and that is not the direction this game should go.

Like many PvP threads I sense the cube draws near. Maybe to appease him and move this thread away from childish back and forth name calling you could give some more details on the changes you are asking for here. To this point it has all been fairly vague.

one step at a time on this one... Priorities... I think that the crew that would be in charge of developing any sort of pvp atmosphere wouldn't be the same crew that is in charge of developing new quest lines, or any other content you desire... In fact I would reckon that diverting human resources is something that very seldom happens... as you may know, there are millions of lines of code involved in any game... Often times, it's very difficult for even the most seasoned programmer to make heads or tails of 1000 lines of code another programmer wrote. So thinking that ANY new idea would EVER divert human resources is silly... As the people working on things currently are still going to be working on those things... As it would be extremely labourous to get fresh eyes acclimated.

I don't think that adding incentives would force anyone to PvP... that's like saying epic devil's assault dropping better stuff forces everyone to do epic devil's assault.

And I didn't suggest any changes. I simply am stating that classes are balanced enough for a pvp climate to be implemented... But if you want a fresh idea, i guess i can give it a shot...

The EVIL alignment!

Edit--> I forgot... The source material ABSOLUTELY supports pvp. I've DM'd player battles and also participated in large gatherings of DnD players, some of whom happened to play EVIL characters! In fact, there are a lot of official story arcs that involve player vs player combat... Ever gotten into a fight with the rogue in your party because he kept looting all the potions? that's PvP!

[asphodeli]

OP, its the attitude of pro-PvP players (and a few who are "expert PvP players") that advocate and PvP in DDO, and in this forum, which gives a lot of people jaded opinions when they say they want this or that fixed or balanced in PvP. Obviously the developers have not given PvP much afterthought, as seen from past updates. Don't get your hopes too high up.

As for your suggestion of a team-based PvP, there exists a mechanism to do that. Get a group, speak to Jackson Laws in front of the pit in the Lobster (and at least one other pit that I can remember), and he will arrange for a team-based PvP match, with two different modes to choose from, as far as I can remember.

That said, if you fail to notice Jackson Laws, it really means you aren't paying attention to the game...or fail to comprehend what others have said in this thread

[Rav'n]

-1 OP. Actually I wish I could hit you for EACH of your posts...

-Claiming this is YOUR Thread...Dude...this is a public Forum

-For equating people with a different opinion than you on PvP as trolling

-For using Caps to show you're yelling at everyone for both of the above reason

-For encouraging wanton Exploitation in a scenario very few in DDO want or care about

-For coming to a Forum of a game that cares little about PvP and YELLING at people and calling the Trolls because they don't agree with you


If you want to move your idea forward, come up with legitimate answers to the questions posed. Don't call people out because they disagree with you.

[Zilta]

kinda surprised h4x hasnt responded to this yet, oh well

*munches on some of k1ngp1ns popcorn*

[Drona]

if u want to play PvP - go to WoW. Nobody is stopping u. The doors are open.

DDO (D&D) is all about tactics, co-operation, management. Not just hack n slash.

P.S: Dont think because you pay you are elite or some high level. I m in guild 55+ so dont bring your guild thing as well.

P.S: oh and i also have a caps lock in my keyboard.

[hooblaboo]

FACEPALM HARDCORE...
I appreciate your civility but you're redundantly reiterating points all you carebears make...
PvPers are NOT SATISFIED with the ******** instances. otherwise there would be a legit pvp community! instead I am one of the few who post on here in support of PvP. all you haters intimidated and berated all PvPers away from the community.
And it's besides the point!

NO ONES EVER GOING TO MAKE ANY OF YOU FIGHT!! SO YOU CAN STOP TROLLING THE PvP FORUM!

I think you're forgetting the fact that this is a PvE game...Anyways good luck on trying to have a legitimate thread about PvP balance...

[crazy7381]

/popcorn
/silent fart
/facepalming op til his/her eyes bleed.... priceless

+1 if you feel me or you smelt it =-0

[eonfreon]

NO ONES EVER GOING TO MAKE ANY OF YOU FIGHT!! SO YOU CAN STOP TROLLING THE PvP FORUM!

But one of the things you want are incentives. Because the game already has areas where you can create pvp groups and fight each other. You can already "balance" the groups however you like.

However, creating "incentives" is in effect FORCING OTHERS TO FIGHT TO BE ABLE TO GET THOSE REWARDS!!

Whew, glad I got that out of my system.