Benefits of Archmage besides SPs

[stille_nacht]

Now it might be because i haven't surfed the forums quite enough, but the consensus seems to be taking hold that Archmage is useful only for sp or getting that 5th level spell-like ability

What about DCs? With the spell mastery abilities, the save for my mass hold monster is now 38.

38

In epic VoN 1, not a single monster that wasn't immune saved the first time, and only 1 monster even managed to break before it was killed. Now if that isnt a massive insentive to take archmage i dont know what is.

[Jaid314]

Now it might be because i haven't surfed the forums quite enough, but the consensus seems to be taking hold that Archmage is useful only for sp or getting that 5th level spell-like ability

What about DCs? With the spell mastery abilities, the save for my mass hold monster is now 38.

38

In epic VoN 1, not a single monster that wasn't immune saved the first time, and only 1 monster even managed to break before it was killed. Now if that isnt a massive insentive to take archmage i dont know what is.

quick comparison:

archmage: gets +2 to save DCs in one school

pale master: gets +1 to save DCs via intelligence in all schools from lich form, and another +1 to all schools via yugoloth pot (which the archmage would be very unwise to drink). so +2 to all schools, including the one school the archmage would get. now, granted, you still have to invest 2 feats in to get the same results, but simply put... it's gonna be the same DC if you want it to be.

[stille_nacht]

quick comparison:

archmage: gets +2 to save DCs in one school

pale master: gets +1 to save DCs via intelligence in all schools from lich form, and another +1 to all schools via yugoloth pot (which the archmage would be very unwise to drink). so +2 to all schools, including the one school the archmage would get. now, granted, you still have to invest 2 feats in to get the same results, but simply put... it's gonna be the same DC if you want it to be.

what does the yugoloth potion do?

[bradleyforrest]

what does the yugoloth potion do?

+2 Int, -50% fort, minor SP regen

[Celestialbeast]

Now it might be because i haven't surfed the forums quite enough, but the consensus seems to be taking hold that Archmage is useful only for sp or getting that 5th level spell-like ability

What about DCs? With the spell mastery abilities, the save for my mass hold monster is now 38.

38

In epic VoN 1, not a single monster that wasn't immune saved the first time, and only 1 monster even managed to break before it was killed. Now if that isnt a massive insentive to take archmage i dont know what is.

Now that Archmage is out I"m building my own Wizzie. Should reach 38 or better. I'm really happy about Archmage. Makes me feel useful!

[stille_nacht]

+2 Int, -50% fort, minor SP regen

ah, cant i just dring that other potion that gives +50% fort?

never really got why fort was so imporant on wiz :/, if i get hit enough for crits to matter, im dead as a worm hit by an atomic bomb. I mean sure "what if traps crit?" the answer to that is, even if they dont, and im hit in epic, i die. i have enough hp not to be one shotted, but in any given quest i shouldnt get hit more than 2-3 times.

[Hobgoblin]

especially on a wf, the ability to take a hit drop to say 50 hp then recon yourself back to full in one shot vrs one crit and you are dead

hob

[articwarrior]

Now that Archmage is out I"m building my own Wizzie. Should reach 38 or better. I'm really happy about Archmage. Makes me feel useful!

max is 45 by my calculations:
25 base
3 enhancement
1 litany
7 item
3 exceptional
2 capstone
4 tome
2 guild buff
2 Yugo pot
-----------------
51 int (+20)

10 base
20 modifier
2 focus
2 item
2 archmage
9 spell level
----------------

45 Will DC on enchantment spells (might be 46 with heighten?)

[stille_nacht]

max is 45 by my calculations:
25 base
3 enhancement
1 litany
7 item
3 exceptional
2 capstone
4 tome
2 guild buff
2 Yugo pot
-----------------
51 int (+20)

10 base
20 modifier
2 focus
2 item
2 archmage
9 spell level
----------------

45 Will DC on enchantment spells (might be 46 with heighten?)
2

+7 item for int? what is it o-O

[NoidRoid]

The same thing that happens to give a +2 item to enchant and every other school, Epic Staff of Inner Sight. You'll find the seal in epic chains of flame, gl

[ZeroTakenaka]

Now it might be because i haven't surfed the forums quite enough, but the consensus seems to be taking hold that Archmage is useful only for sp or getting that 5th level spell-like ability

What about DCs? With the spell mastery abilities, the save for my mass hold monster is now 38.

38

In epic VoN 1, not a single monster that wasn't immune saved the first time, and only 1 monster even managed to break before it was killed. Now if that isnt a massive insentive to take archmage i dont know what is.

Spammy spells =D

[khaldan]

+7 item for int? what is it o-O

There's a staff from epic DQ that gives +7 int and +2 DCs, IIRC.

[stille_nacht]

There's a staff from epic DQ that gives +7 int and +2 DCs, IIRC.

i want o-O

epic DQ1 or epic DQ2?

now where will i put my superior potency VI item with that staff equipped... on the other hand when im using hold, i wont need potency...

[Hobgoblin]

i want o-O

epic DQ1 or epic DQ2?

now where will i put my superior potency VI item with that staff equipped... on the other hand when im using hold, i wont need potency...

use the chocker from amarth one of the barb ones

hob

[khaldan]

i want o-O

epic DQ1 or epic DQ2?

now where will i put my superior potency VI item with that staff equipped... on the other hand when im using hold, i wont need potency...

Considering it's an epic item, both in a way :P



For Reference. Both the violet slot and colorless slot in that are filled, though(good luck+2/exc con +1)

[NoidRoid]

The item drops in chains of flame therefore the seal drops there and only there. Scroll can be found in any desert epic, shard can be found in DQ2 or chains.

It's a great wizard item but tough to get unless you have a good group of players to run chains with.

[stille_nacht]

and now i go away from thinking of enhancements to super twinking my character... joy

[sirgog]

Now it might be because i haven't surfed the forums quite enough, but the consensus seems to be taking hold that Archmage is useful only for sp or getting that 5th level spell-like ability

What about DCs? With the spell mastery abilities, the save for my mass hold monster is now 38.

38

In epic VoN 1, not a single monster that wasn't immune saved the first time, and only 1 monster even managed to break before it was killed. Now if that isnt a massive insentive to take archmage i dont know what is.

Epic VON1 has the easiest mobs to hold out of all of the epics.

I've run Epic Devil Assault with a DC 40 arcane and a DC 46 arcane - there is a big difference there.