issue death ward on palemaster..

[Halaryel]

As it is now, switch to palemaster remove Deathward which is quite good, but if somebody cast DW while you are in lich form you loose all your healing....thats not WAI i am sure...

Also, while in lich, we are not immune to stat damage and drain. Ain't undeads supposed to be immune to that? we are getting double damage from light source but not immune to drain/stat?


PLease fix both; also it is getting on my nerve, in the mabar event people keep casting DW on me effectively destroying 100SP and probably kill me if i don't notice it fast enough....

Please dev, put this in update8, thats serious issue.... as it is lich is near perfect...but it is ridiculously annoying when some divine caster keep casting DW on you....

[Zilta]

also in the new event dward is an effective method of griefing pale masters, (assuming there is a red named aggroed on them and not something that can be 1 shotted by dbf or meteor swarm). I had this happen to me several times, the same person did it each time.

[Entelech]

Fixing it is fairly straightforward...just pop out of form then back in.

But still, the spell ought to be blocked by the form. Period.

[phalaeo]

If you are in form and can't use negative energy healing of your own, can you be healed? Can you be harmed by others?

I'm an equal-opportunity Cleric- always have Harm, Inflict and Mass Inflict up for you guys. I try to do the best I can, but I'm not always up on your PrE and how it is affected. May I gently suggest that you remind Clerics of this if you are running with people who may be unfamiliar that DW does this?

And a special note- It wouldn't hurt to notify the Cleric that you're a PM and you go into form. Yes, the big green bubble is a hint, but unless you have that up and have floaty red eyes (and are right in front of me) I may not know during fights. I have enough to do with that 10 Con Rogue and Vicious Axe wielding Death Frenzier. As annoying as it is to you to have your negative healing blocked by one of my spells, it is annoying to me to waste two or more heals on you before I realize you're in form.

[donfilibuster]

When questing it can be talked with the clerics to get organized so no issue.
The thing with the griefing was more with the deleras event.

The people huddle with the palemaster to ask for haste, so the clerics take the chance to pass buffs.
Deathward for one, with obvious reason.
Sometimes Holy Aura as well, which also raised complain from the palemasters.

Even if this is intended, with the nature of the spells and all, there ought to have a way to get rid of it without reentering the form.
Could be with dispel magic or break enchantment, or merely allowing a saving throw.
Maybe even devs could use the dialog box to accept the spell like with teleport.

[Halaryel]

here how it goes...

fight a pack+red name ...

get to half HP...

Cast burst ... -xx SP (usually emp/max)

notice (if you do) that you did not get any HP

panic... or quickly switch out/in lich form -100SP

recast burst if you still alive...but honestly if its against a lich loosing your aura+Burst healing get you killed often...

so basicaly you have not lost your life, you have lost 100+the cost of a burst... while the cleric is laughing for just a DW... not everybody can afford to buy black coffee....

not to mention if you die you loose both black coffee and draught!!! i already lost 2 draught after just 20minute of play... thats 80 Minute worth of draught


yes thats the word grieving...


ps: i usually avenge myself running around and "healing" undeads that low level are trying to KS...

(outoftopic): this event is really BAD, the mechanics for drop is very elusive and doesn't seems equaly fair for everybody... lot of people feel grieved....add to this palemaster that are getting all the hate because of their aoe and grieved by DW.... not the kind of event i like...doesn't bring people to play together...its better to be alone and try to ninja others groups... very bad mechanics for an event....

[Thaminor]

Also, deathward stops you from healing skeleton pets.

Its obnoxious, I have to ask the cleric if they have deathward, then ask for a warning if they throw a mass/not to throw an individual. Then half the time they don't read the text. It's not like the rest of the party has to ask me not to cast grease then set it on fire. Please fix this.

[FadeLurk]

I normaly tell the group at every shrine to buff deathward first, I dont put my skely pet out nor do i go lich form until i see that buff goes out, then I make my move into lich/cast pet,

It is a pain sometimes if the person who is casting it doesnt care or want to work with you on it but 100sp to recast lich and summon another pet is not the end of the world, just anoying.

[Kabaon]

I put a Bug Report in for this already, as it causes you to lose 200 sp by having to reset your lich form.

Oh, and it's not just death ward either. Spell Resistance spell also causes your healing to fail. I've tested it with no DWard on my Pale Master and I got the same reaction. And I can't be certain, but being exhusted may have changed it as well, but unfortunatly I cannot claim that one to be true without more testing.

[shadowsaun]

I don't think the SR spell messes with us, but I have taken to buffing litch on myself very LAST after all other buffs are done, or simply asking for no DW (unless its really needed in quest). I will also run away during DW casting so as not to disturb the buffing fest

And yes, the stat damage sucks.

What I don't understand is why going negative in CHARISMA makes me helpless...charisma shouldn't affect my spell casting should it?

[hermespan]

I don't think the SR spell messes with us, but I have taken to buffing litch on myself very LAST after all other buffs are done, or simply asking for no DW (unless its really needed in quest). I will also run away during DW casting so as not to disturb the buffing fest

And yes, the stat damage sucks.

What I don't understand is why going negative in CHARISMA makes me helpless...charisma shouldn't affect my spell casting should it?

One component of charisma is the ability to speak effectively. As your charisma gets lower you start to stutter and not express yourself effectively. There is actually a good D&D reason for negative charisma to affect spellcasting.

[Kabaon]

The spell resistance does mess with Lich Form, otherwise I wouldn't have gotten dice rolls on my aura (after activating it in a quest) and no Death Ward on at all, with on my buff list. It's happened mutliple times on my character so it's not like I could have missed something.

Also, why are we getting stat damage in the first place? I thought Undead were immune to such things.

[shadowsaun]

On a sorc sure, but on a wizzie?

Reading the description for cha and I think it should not affect me at all!

Just annoying

[elujin]

an outher bug i think releated to palemaster when my virtuoso does its healing song it killes the skelly pet (and the shadow pets too )

[shadowsaun]

I hate to say this...

but we really really need a way to dismiss our Skelly summons. For example

in EoT I use the Skelly to help aggro control...believe it or not, the guy wont die! When it comes time to pull the boss (I solo this of course) the Skelly steals my aggro and I am at risk of alerting the extra spawn.

SO either I don't call (no help) or I have to not use my aura for a while so he will actually die. We need a dismiss option.

[Drakos]

On a sorc sure, but on a wizzie?

Reading the description for cha and I think it should not affect me at all!

Just annoying

Think of it like this. Your a Wiz and dump stat Str, then you get Str Damaged to - Str, you are affected because you have insufficient Str to move. Attributes are not just there to pump up the good aspect, they serve all characters on a fundamental level, Cha happens to be you Inner strength and ability to interact. A negative Cha means you are incapable of even th most basic of interactions, therefor affected spell casting.

[gurgar78]

I hate to say this...

but we really really need a way to dismiss our Skelly summons. For example

in EoT I use the Skelly to help aggro control...believe it or not, the guy wont die! When it comes time to pull the boss (I solo this of course) the Skelly steals my aggro and I am at risk of alerting the extra spawn.

SO either I don't call (no help) or I have to not use my aura for a while so he will actually die. We need a dismiss option.

This has been brought up before. Summoning your lowest level summon will see it die fast and is almost as effective as simply dismissing your higher level summon.

[shadowsaun]

ya I hear ya...but still...I want an effective summon that I can dismiss. After all, they are MINE why cant I send them home Maybe Ill just bring a mummy along and have them fight it out

[Thaminor]

And while we are on things that need to be fixed, a Virtuso's healing song slowly kills skeleton pets. It is quite painful to watch.

[donfilibuster]

I heard that switching in and out of defensive mode somehow let you heal with neg energy again, anyone heard about that?
I went and tried but it did not work.

And while doing that i noticed death aura counts as spell so every tick takes you out of defensive mode.