Bastard sword Intimitank

[Quikster]

One of the reasons I was looking at this build was because the bastard sword glancing blows would (at least I thought) help hold the agro.


Also Lesser Setinel says "Activate this ability to harness the bloodline of House Deneith to cast Protection from Energy two times per rest. Also allows you to use your Least Mark of Sentinel an extra time per rest. Protection from Energy allow you to absorb 12 points of energy damage per character level." I mean energy absorb souds good and all but how does it help with intim, and is it really worth a feat point? Didnt realize you need the extra levels of DM to get higher levels of stalwart defender.

If you are holding agro with any s&b set up, might want to find a better group

Even with the splash damage, a decent str melee will do more damage with a khopesh most of the time. But thats ok, you can spec for thf and eventually get an esos

You dont need any dragonmark feats to get sd, you can use them but they arent needed. The best buy is the first feat and 1 enhancement for +3 to intimidate. After that the return is low.

That will be tricky for a paladin splash

Also, the chaosgarde bracers (+2 dodge to AC) have a lawful requirement. ALso Light and Darkness in a heavy shield, not a tower shield, so a +5 towershield still grants better AC.


OP - Looks good, I'll take Horoth you take Suulu!

Depends on the dex bonus a tank can achieve. I use a large shield so i dont have to buy the pricey tsm enhancements.

[EKKM]

If you are holding agro with any s&b set up, might want to find a better group

Even with the splash damage, a decent str melee will do more damage with a khopesh most of the time. But thats ok, you can spec for thf and eventually get an esos

You dont need any dragonmark feats to get sd, you can use them but they arent needed. The best buy is the first feat and 1 enhancement for +3 to intimidate. After that the return is low.




Depends on the dex bonus a tank can achieve. I use a large shield so i dont have to buy the pricey tsm enhancements.

Most of the good towershields are mithril anyway (+2 max dex), each rank of SD gives a +1 and so does the fighter past life feat. The max dex on the towershield isn't an issue as much as DT fullplate is.

[MrWizard]

bastard sword will do less damage than a khopesh due to crit range.
Bastard sword is somewhat easier to find, or it used to be, and much cheaper.

I find the glancing blow damage to be not worth it. And when you go to dps mode, THF fails miserably next to TWF with bastard or khopeshes as a fighter. In my opinion.

Shield use is fine as you still get the same 4 swings that everyone else does that uses a single weapon of any kind. Allow yourself a TWF line instead and switch to dps when you can (or when you get your dps up there).

def start at least 15 dex, 13 cha, 12 int (if human, more if not)...and enjoy.


in brief...

go twf. Go khopesh, but bastard sword is okay too. (you can use both, one will just be -4 to hit).

shield masteries are not a bad thing and they do add up. 49+DR when in a jam pretty much lets you survive everything, even epic mobs while turtled.

best of all, just look at teh fighter builds on the forums that deal with ac and use of intimidate skill... and enjoy the ride.


If you never plan on getting lots of aggro, or you are epically geared, then go with power attack...other than that power attack is not really useful for you, especially if you go twf. Save it for your barb. Keep CE on and keep on swinging. There are a ton of other feats you should think of to replace power attack regarding saves, DR, focus/spec, oversized twf, diehard, force or personality, sheidl mastery, or just about anything useful.

If you really need +5 to damage, use your damage boosts and human versa, you will end up with 7 of each...more than enough.

[unbongwah]

bastard sword will do less damage than a khopesh due to crit range.

You mean crit multiplier; the crit range is identical.

[der_kluge]

bastard sword will do less damage than a khopesh due to crit range.
Bastard sword is somewhat easier to find, or it used to be, and much cheaper.

I just don't see how this is mathematically true.

A comparison:

attack	bastard 	khopesh
2	5.5	4.5
3	5.5	4.5
4	5.5	4.5
5	5.5	4.5
6	5.5	4.5
7	5.5	4.5
8	5.5	4.5
9	5.5	4.5
10	5.5	4.5
11	5.5	4.5
12	5.5	4.5
13	5.5	4.5
14	5.5	4.5
15	5.5	4.5
16	5.5	4.5
17	5.5	4.5
18	5.5	4.5
crit	11	13.5
crit	11	13.5
total	115.5	103.5
		
	improved crit(slashing)	
2	5.5	4.5
3	5.5	4.5
4	5.5	4.5
5	5.5	4.5
6	5.5	4.5
7	5.5	4.5
8	5.5	4.5
9	5.5	4.5
10	5.5	4.5
11	5.5	4.5
12	5.5	4.5
13	5.5	4.5
14	5.5	4.5
15	5.5	4.5
16	5.5	4.5
crit	11	13.5
crit	11	13.5
crit	11	13.5
crit	11	13.5
	126.5	121.5

20 attacks (a 1 always misses); crits on 19-20. With improved crit, you close the gap somewhat, but bastard sword is still mathematically superior.

[MrWizard]

You mean crit multiplier; the crit range is identical.

yep, that is what I meant..x3

[khaldan]

I just don't see how this is mathematically true.

A comparison:

attack	bastard 	khopesh
2	5.5	4.5
3	5.5	4.5
4	5.5	4.5
5	5.5	4.5
6	5.5	4.5
7	5.5	4.5
8	5.5	4.5
9	5.5	4.5
10	5.5	4.5
11	5.5	4.5
12	5.5	4.5
13	5.5	4.5
14	5.5	4.5
15	5.5	4.5
16	5.5	4.5
17	5.5	4.5
18	5.5	4.5
crit	11	13.5
crit	11	13.5
total	115.5	103.5
		
	improved crit(slashing)	
2	5.5	4.5
3	5.5	4.5
4	5.5	4.5
5	5.5	4.5
6	5.5	4.5
7	5.5	4.5
8	5.5	4.5
9	5.5	4.5
10	5.5	4.5
11	5.5	4.5
12	5.5	4.5
13	5.5	4.5
14	5.5	4.5
15	5.5	4.5
16	5.5	4.5
crit	11	13.5
crit	11	13.5
crit	11	13.5
crit	11	13.5
	126.5	121.5

20 attacks (a 1 always misses); crits on 19-20. With improved crit, you close the gap somewhat, but bastard sword is still mathematically superior.

Add 6 seeker and oh, 25 base damage due to str/weapon bonus/PA.

Khopesh becomes superior very, very fast(after 1 extra damage with imp crit, it looks like.)

[Dilbon]

That will be tricky for a paladin splash

Also, the chaosgarde bracers (+2 dodge to AC) have a lawful requirement. ALso Light and Darkness in a heavy shield, not a tower shield, so a +5 towershield still grants better AC.8

AC is the same, +6 prot and +8 shield equals +5 prot and +9 shield. DR is lower though, but the saves are heavy. And UMD bypasses Chaosgarde requirements (ok you need items for that).

But paladin splash, never mind then.

[der_kluge]

Add 6 seeker and oh, 25 base damage due to str/weapon bonus/PA.

Khopesh becomes superior very, very fast(after 1 extra damage with imp crit, it looks like.)

Ok, so what I'm missing is the strength modifier. I couldn't remember if added damage from strength gets included in the multiplier. I had forgotten that.

So yes, I can see how Khopesh would be superior in that case.

[MrWicae]

Finally got this character upto level 20 (Has been a side project of mine for some time now). Here is the character sheet. (Still missing a few Green steel items to be completely "complete")

[theboatman]

So now that you are 20, how is it working for you? What have you noticed as strengths, and what weakness if any do you note? (And are those stats buffed or unbuffed?)

[willemvh]

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=319126 in this treath you can find some info over s&b tanks i am trying to gather !

i see you rolled a 18/2 pally variant can you post your feedback on that build there? str & weak ? what you found out while lvling ?

[MrWicae]

I love the build a lot. Biggest strength is rarely if ever getting hit by melee. Having a high enough DR to negate most glancing blows. Weakness is all the ac in the world does not help against magic.

[der_kluge]

I made my own version of an intimitank, based on MrWicae's design. Slightly modified. Should still be fairly robust. Mine is a 36 pt. build.

This is what I'm planning on TR'ing my main into in a few months. It's a bastard sword/tower shield intimitank build.

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Brigette Soulgood
Level 20 Lawful Good Human Female
(18 Fighter \ 2 Paladin) 
Hit Points: 392
Spell Points: 20 
BAB: 20\20\25\30\30
Fortitude: 23
Reflex: 13
Will: 15

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(36 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             17                    27
Dexterity            13                    14
Constitution         14                    18
Intelligence         12                    13
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma             15                    18

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               3                    13
Bluff                 2                     4
Concentration         2                     4
Diplomacy             2                     4
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle                2                     4
Heal                 -1                     0
Hide                  1                     2
Intimidate            6                    43
Jump                  7                    30
Listen               -1                    -1
Move Silently         1                     2
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                1                     1
Search                1                     1
Spot                 -1                    -1
Swim                  7                    30
Tumble                n/a                   n/a
Use Magic Device      n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Bastard Sword
Feat: (Human Bonus) Least Dragonmark of Sentinel
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Cleric
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Favored Soul
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Handed Fighting


Level 3 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 4 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons


Level 5 (Fighter)


Level 6 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Shield Mastery
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 7 (Fighter)


Level 8 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Combat Expertise


Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 10 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 11 (Fighter)


Level 12 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting


Level 13 (Paladin)


Level 14 (Paladin)


Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Force of Personality


Level 16 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Handed Fighting


Level 17 (Fighter)


Level 18 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Shield Mastery
Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Intimidate


Level 19 (Fighter)


Level 20 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Superior Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Class Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Class Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Class Boost III
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost III
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Stalwart Defender I
Enhancement: Fighter Stalwart Defender II
Enhancement: Fighter Stalwart Defender III
Enhancement: Fighter Tower Shield Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Bastard Sword Specialization I
Enhancement: Fighter Bastard Sword Specialization II
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Constitution I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Deneith Intimidation I
Enhancement: Fighter Item Defense I
Enhancement: Fighter Item Defense II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
Enhancement: Improved Intimidate I
Enhancement: Improved Intimidate II
Enhancement: Improved Intimidate III
Enhancement: Improved Intimidate IV
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength III
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness IV