Raising my Spell DC for FoD

[genesis1912]

I see all these players bragging about their mid 30 save DC for spells like FoD. I want to know exactly how i can raise my DC up beyond what Heighten and Spell Focus Feats can do. I have tomes to raise my appropriate ability score. As a Warforge Sorc I have a 31 cha. I just need help either raising my DC higher by raising my Cha or some other way...

[donfilibuster]

Most of the extra DC comes from items that raise your cha and stack.
For example, an item with with exceptional bonus to int, an alchemical potion or a yugoloth potion.
Sum them all and you have a DC build, check the sorcerer subforum for one of these builds and look at the list of things they use for DC.

[Deaths_ward]

Two problems, you're a WF, and you're a sorc.

The first is because I hate toasters.

The second is because you don't have access to the PrE's that boost spell DC

A breakdown of my level 20 wizards DC

10 Base
09 Spell Level w/ Heighten
12 34 Intelligence
02 Spell Focus Feats
01 Wizard Past Life Taken Feat
01 Reaver's Napkin Focus
02 Archmage School Focus
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37
If she was 20 Wizard instead of 18/2 I could have the capstone for another +1, and I'm still working on her exceptional Int, greensteel scepter, so that + the last Intel enhancement would be worth another +2. The last piece would be unlocking the Death Scycle from Mindsunder and getting Greater Necro Focus on an item, for +1 more as well.

[vVAnjilaVv]

Here is a simply breakdown of what you can get without too much farming for items.

10 Base to your DC

WF'ed CHA 16 base +5 level ups +3 enhancements +6 item +3 exc Shroud item +2 Tome= 35.....yes go for this because you may get a +3 CHA tome which would make it 36.....but we will leave it at 35....so essentialy 34 and you're at +14 to DC's

New DC total 24

Heighten= +2 to FoD at 17th level +9 total mod for caster level

New DC total 33

Necromancy Item +1 to DC

New DC Total 34

Both spell focus +2

New DC total 36

presto...mid 30's DC even without the shroud Item you're at 35.

Hope my math was all right on sorry if I am off somewhere but it should be accurate.

[blitzschlag]

Here is a simply breakdown of what you can get without too much farming for items.

10 Base to your DC

WF'ed CHA 16 base +5 level ups +3 enhancements +6 item +3 exc Shroud item +2 Tome= 35.....yes go for this because you may get a +3 CHA tome which would make it 36.....but we will leave it at 35....so essentialy 34 and you're at +14 to DC's

New DC total 24


Heighten= +2 to FoD at 17th level +9 total mod for caster level

New DC total 33

Necromancy Item +1 to DC

New DC Total 34

Both spell focus +2

New DC total 36

presto...mid 30's DC even without the shroud Item you're at 35.

Hope my math was all right on sorry if I am off somewhere but it should be accurate.

add 1 for a death's touch that you can get quite easily out of the mindsunder quest

not mentioning any ship buffs

[Deaths_ward]

Here is a simply breakdown of what you can get without too much farming for items.

10 Base to your DC

WF'ed CHA 16 base +5 level ups +3 enhancements +6 item +3 exc Shroud item +2 Tome= 35.....yes go for this because you may get a +3 CHA tome which would make it 36.....but we will leave it at 35....so essentialy 34 and you're at +14 to DC's

New DC total 24

Heighten= +2 to FoD at 17th level +9 total mod for caster level

New DC total 33

Necromancy Item +1 to DC

New DC Total 34

Both spell focus +2

New DC total 36

presto...mid 30's DC even without the shroud Item you're at 35.

Hope my math was all right on sorry if I am off somewhere but it should be accurate.

34 Charisma is +12, not +14.

[vVAnjilaVv]

add 1 for a death's touch that you can get quite easily out of the mindsunder quest

not mentioning any ship buffs

Yeah, I know, I was trying to keep the grind to a minimum tho

And the Shroud is not really a grind....it's more like DDO's favorite pastime :P

[Sibellya]

Here is a simply breakdown of what you can get without too much farming for items.

10 Base to your DC

WF'ed CHA 16 base +5 level ups +3 enhancements +6 item +3 exc Shroud item +2 Tome= 35.....yes go for this because you may get a +3 CHA tome which would make it 36.....but we will leave it at 35....so essentialy 34 and you're at +14 to DC's

New DC total 24

Heighten= +2 to FoD at 17th level +9 total mod for caster level

New DC total 33

Necromancy Item +1 to DC

New DC Total 34

Both spell focus +2

New DC total 36

presto...mid 30's DC even without the shroud Item you're at 35.

Hope my math was all right on sorry if I am off somewhere but it should be accurate.

35 (or 34) CHA is a +12 mod not +14 so in the above case you would have DC 34. If you weren't a toaster you would have 38 or 39 CHA (no -2 base and +1 for human/half-elf enhancement or +2 for drow base) and would then have DC 36. This is the price you pay for all those immunities and self-healing.

[vVAnjilaVv]

Ok, so then 34-35 in my example...sorries.

Still the Sorc can spam the spell more times and faster than a wiz can....it's all a matter of trade-offs......personally when I make a Sorc I tend to focus on their evocation damage spells....there is a reason why their class icon is a flame :P...not too mention what there capstone is centered around.

The thing with a wizard is they are made to be able to easily afford non-damage spell specialization and afford both spell focus and spell pen feats whereas the Sorc is much more limited, and trying to take both spell pen and focus feats on a sorc uses 4 of their 7-8 feats....or should I say 6-7 feats as toughness is usually taken by all arcane classes.