Half-Orc 13rog/6monk/1ranger Qstaff build

[Resilian]

I was inspired after seeing OldAquarian's thread here, but decided that I liked monk and ninja spy better than kensei as my main is a pure monk.

This is my take on a H-Orc Qstaff build. The levels I take each class and the feat order I'm not 100% sure on so I could definitely use some C&C there. I tried to get Ranger asap for wand usage, Acrobat I and Ninja I asap in that order as well.

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Varigor 
Level 20 Lawful Neutral Half-Orc Male
(6 Monk \ 13 Rogue \ 1 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 276
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 14\14\19\24
Fortitude: 15
Reflex: 18
Will: 8

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
Strength             18                 25                   27
Dexterity            12                 14                   17
Constitution         16                 18                   18
Intelligence         13                 15                   15
Wisdom                8                  8                    8
Charisma              6                  8                    8

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 4
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 4
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills        Base Skills        Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)          (Level 20)          (Level 20)
Balance               5                 23                   29
Bluff                -2                 -1                   -1
Concentration         3                  4                    4
Diplomacy            -2                 -1                   -1
Disable Device        5                 25                   25
Haggle               -2                 -1                   -1
Heal                 -1                 -1                   -1
Hide                  5                  7                    7
Intimidate           -2                 -1                   -1
Jump                  8                 31                   37
Listen               -1                 -1                   -1
Move Silently         5                  7                    7
Open Lock             5                 19                   19
Perform              n/a               n/a                   n/a
Repair                1                  2                    2
Search                5                 25                   25
Spot                  2                 22                   22
Swim                  4                  8                    8
Tumble                2                 22                   28
Use Magic Device      2                 22                   25

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Two Handed Fighting


Level 3 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 4 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 5 (Rogue)


Level 6 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Stunning Blow


Level 7 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Orcish Fury I
Enhancement: Orcish Melee Damage I
Enhancement: Orcish Melee Damage II
Enhancement: Orcish Strength I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
Enhancement: Improved Balance I
Enhancement: Improved Balance II
Enhancement: Improved Tumble I
Enhancement: Improved Tumble II
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I


Level 8 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Enhancement: Orcish Strength II
Enhancement: Rogue Thief-Acrobat I


Level 9 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Resilience


Level 10 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness


Level 11 (Monk)


Level 12 (Monk)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons
Enhancement: Static Charge
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Improved Jump I
Enhancement: Improved Jump II
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II


Level 13 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge
Enhancement: Orcish Power Attack I
Enhancement: Orcish Great Weapon Aptitude I
Enhancement: Monk Ninja Spy I
Enhancement: Adept of Flame


Level 14 (Rogue)


Level 15 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting


Level 16 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 17 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion


Level 18 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Use Magic Device


Level 19 (Rogue)


Level 20 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Opportunist
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost IV
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Orcish Power Attack II
Enhancement: Orcish Power Attack III
Enhancement: Rogue Thief-Acrobat II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity III

Favored Enemy: Undead for leveling, will switch to Evil Outsider at 17-20~.

I don't like that I had to take Imp Evasion so late, but it was the quickest I could get it if I wanted Ninja Spy I early on.

Stats (unbuffed):
STR 18 +6 item +2 tome +5 levels +2Orc +2 Fire stance +3 exceptional: 38
DEX 12 +6 item +2 tome: 20
CON 16 +6 item +2 tome: 24
INT 13 +1 tome: 14 +6 item swap for traps: 20
WIS 8 -2 stance: 6
CHA 6 +6 item +2 tome: 14


Hitpoints (unbuffed):
20 heroic
10 draconic
8 ranger
48 monk
78 rogue
20 racial toughness
22 toughness
140 con
40 Sup False Life
20 toughness item
45 greensteel
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451 HP unbuffed
+20 Rage Spell
----------------
471 HP
+40 Madstone
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511 HP
+40 Double Madstone
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551 HP if fully raged


Use Magic Device:
22 Levels
+3 CHA Item
+4 GH
+3 SF: UMD
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32
+3 Exceptional CHA Skills on DT
+5 Seven-Fingered Gloves
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40 Standing UMD without having to swap in Golden Cartouche and without relying on Bard buffs.

Stunning Blow DC:
10
+10 Wraps
+14 STR
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34
+1 Yugo Pot
+3 Titan's Grip Clicky
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38
+1 Rage Spell
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39
+2 Madstone Rage
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41
+2 Double Madstone Rage
----------------------
43

[Failedlegend]

Whats the point of the fighter level...you obviously don't need the extra feat (4 toughness) nor do you need the weapon profs since you already have Q-Staff prof....so whats it for 7 Monk is far more potent.

[Dandonk]

Whats the point of the fighter level...you obviously don't need the extra feat (4 toughness) nor do you need the weapon profs since you already have Q-Staff prof....so whats it for 7 Monk is far more potent.

I went for 1 fighter on my staff build. I did this for the hp (2+10 from enhancement), the feat, the stunning blow tactic thing and +2 fort save.
That said, monk gives access to improved recovery rank 2, the selfheal thing (for my build I'd have gotten that around level 18-19, and didn't see the point - I'd rather umd wands/scrolls at that point), and better effect for some monk thingies.

[Resilian]

Whats the point of the fighter level...you obviously don't need the extra feat (4 toughness) nor do you need the weapon profs since you already have Q-Staff prof....so whats it for 7 Monk is far more potent.

You know I never realized that I did that. The guy below you has a point bout the tactic AP, the fort save, and the extra HP though. That said..what about a level of ranger? Evil Outsider favored enemy for some slight added dps?
So the question:

13rog/7monk
13rog/6monk/1fgt
13rog/6monk/1rng

Which would give the most benefit?

[Dandonk]

Hmm, ranger for a small FE bonus (+3 damage, +1 AC if you want), +2 fort and reflex save, sprint boost and no-umd wand use isn't bad, either.

[Resilian]

Hmm, ranger for a small FE bonus (+3 damage, +1 AC if you want), +2 fort and reflex save, sprint boost and no-umd wand use isn't bad, either.

What level would you suggest taking ranger?

[Dandonk]

What level would you suggest taking ranger?

Probably 2 or 4, to get some mileage out of the wand use. I think I took my fighter level at 4, so would likely take ranger there instead if I made such a build.

[OldAquarian]

Also, if you are going to do Half Orc - do 20 Strength - that extra bit of health you get from the CON is dwarfed by the huge number of times you take toughness
And with that many HP - the extra +heal from Monk 7 will keep healers happy
So, as nice as Ranger sounds, the bonus heal from Monk sounds the best bet

[Resilian]

I am a very versatility-oriented player so I think I'm going to stick with Ranger. Updated OP with new build.

[Freeaked]

Hi I really like the looks of this build can a newb be cheaky and ask for the skill up's? thank's.

[Resilian]

Hi I really like the looks of this build can a newb be cheaky and ask for the skill up's? thank's.

Mostly I put points in all the leveled skills during each rogue level, capping out the ones i neglected from other class levels, and when putting points in for monk/ranger i cap search/dd/umd only.

[Freeaked]

Thank's for the reply and thank's for the fun i'm going to have using this build

[Resilian]

No problem. Let me know how it plays for you..I'm focusing on finishing my TR'd monk main before I go heavy into playing this guy =P

[Jolnear]

Hey where do you get the generator with half orcs?

[OldAquarian]

Hey where do you get the generator with half orcs?

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[elyssaria]

Here are some input that I added to OldAquarians thread since he requested some calcs.

13 rogue 6 fighter 1 monk (42 STR)

452,17 DPS if THF-Twitching
390,59 DPS normal fighting (Then you have glancing blows)

13 rogue 6 monk 1 ranger (40 STR)

467,29 DPS if THF-Twitching
396,99 DPS normal fighting (Then you have glancing blows)

Now we need to remember that the 3 damage from FE is very limited since it only works against one group of monsters. So if we remove those then the DPS is 457,18 THF-Twitch and 387,55 THF.

Then you have some other factors to keep in mind when choosing a build:


13 rogue 6 fighter 1 monk
* 6 Fighter give you 4 extra feats + 1 from 1 Monk
* 6 Fighter gives more HP then 6 Monk
* 6 Fighter gives better BAB then 6 Monk
* 6 Fighter gives 2 extra damage from weapon specialization and 2 extra str (equals to 1 more damage and 1 to hit)
* 6 Fighter gives you kensei I +2 damage (due to THF), + 1 to combat dc, +1 to ki on critical hits

13 rogue 6 monk 1 ranger

* 6 Monk gives you 3 extra feats where the 6 Fighter gets 5
* 6 Monk gives 5% doubleattack chance instead of 2,5% with 1 monk
* 6 Monk gives a bit better ki strikes, resulting in about 1.5 more damage per hit compared to 1 Monk
* 6 Monk gives 20% extra run speed, whereas 1 monk gives none
* 6 Monk gives ninjaspy I which gives 3.5 extra sneakattack damage and also Shadow Fade (which in my oppinion is a very very nice ability that gives you a 20% concealment that stacks with Blur and Displacement
* 1 Ranger adds 3 extra damage vs favored enemy (very situational though), ranger sprint boost

Just some more input to the discussion

/Khierra

[Failedlegend]

13 rogue 6 fighter 1 monk
* 6 Fighter give you 4 extra feats + 1 from 1 Monk
* 6 Fighter gives more HP then 6 Monk With the amount of Toughness he takes this is rather irrelvant
* 6 Fighter gives better BAB then 6 Monk Irrelevant grab DP scrolls besides doesn't Monk get Full BAB with Ki wepoans?
* 6 Fighter gives 2 extra damage from weapon specialization and 2 extra str (equals to 1 more damage and 1 to hit)
* 6 Fighter gives you kensei I +2 damage (due to THF), + 1 to combat dc, +1 to ki on critical hits

13 rogue 6 monk 1 ranger

* 6 Monk gives you 3 extra feats where the 6 Fighter gets 5
* 6 Monk gives 5% doubleattack chance instead of 2,5% with 1 monk
* 6 Monk gives a bit better ki strikes, resulting in about 1.5 more damage per hit compared to 1 Monk
* 6 Monk gives 20% extra run speed, whereas 1 monk gives none
* 6 Monk gives ninjaspy I which gives 3.5 extra sneakattack damage and also Shadow Fade (which in my opinion is a very very nice ability that gives you a 20% concealment that stacks with Blur and Displacement
* 1 Ranger adds 3 extra damage vs favored enemy (very situational though), ranger sprint boost
* 6 Monk gives you access to second tier stances
* 6 Monk allows you to take the First & Second tiers of you animal path which can be quite potent
* 6 Monk Gives you access to Monk Wis1&2 further increasing your AC and special attacks power and/or DCs
* 6 Monk allows you to choose Light or Dark Monk path giving you highly potent abilities and access to PREs (Most likely Dark Monk for this build...some benefits shown above)
* 6 Monk gives you Disease Immunity
* 6 Monk gets +2 AC from an improved centered bonus
* 6 Monk will have much higher saves
* 6 Monk gets more Skill points
* 6 Monk grants the ability to regenerate your Ki
* 6 Monk can have +20% Improved Recovery


Just some more input to the discussion

/Khierra

Notes in Red (You missed alot of monk 6 stuff)...also note that 7 Monk will get you a self-healing ability and improved recovery.

Note: Too bad you can't make a Barb Monk :P

[Resilian]

As I stated in the OP it all comes down to preference in my opinion.

Also..I made some changes to the build and the info posted in the OP. I cut down my HP in order to take SF: UMD. Not desirable to be under 500 HP as I'm accustomed to over 500 HP on my monk, but with such low hitdice on Rogue it wasn't very easy to have tons of HP without taking tons of Toughness. Decided that with -20% Threat and UMD for Heal Scrolls it wouldn't be such an issue.

Updated HP totals, UMD totals, and Stunning Blow DC breakdown.

[OldAquarian]

By the way +1 rep - It's great to have this kind of detail about different ways to go with a build

[elyssaria]

Notes in Red (You missed alot of monk 6 stuff)...also note that 7 Monk will get you a self-healing ability and improved recovery.

Note: Too bad you can't make a Barb Monk :P

Yes I am aware that I was missing alot, I am sure there are things missed on the fighter side too. I simply wrote down the things that I had in mind at that point and which was of importance. Ie it felt not necessary to point out the evasion thing since you get improved evasion from the rogue lvls anyway etc. So the short list that I wrote down was not meant to be a complete list more some thought.

Also the main focus was around the damage since that was the original request of OldAquarian, then some other things slipped in.

Either way it's good the more complete it is