The Importance of UMD

[Kinerd]

Even if there was sth like a +13 item, as a barb you don't want to waste an item slot for a UMD item...

And why use a mithral full plate anyway?

Can't you still wear the (hypothetical) UMD item, pass the check, and replace the UMD item with something else?

[Freeman]

I have an easier solution than investing in UMD. I rolled a Halfling barbarian. The best part is that I have my pick of all the RR: Halfling Dwarven Axes

Although I did use a nice set of +4 Mithril Full Plate of False Life, min level 8, while leveling him up...

[Fomori]

Can't you still wear the (hypothetical) UMD item, pass the check, and replace the UMD item with something else?

That was changed so you need the UMD active all the time for it stay equipped.

[Aranticus]

Wrong! You should be able to hit high AC epic monsters without destruction, even if you can't just make the first swing with a destruction weapon and go nuts.

Also i thought the OP had just mistaken the ranks/item part but you can't get 13 ranks as a pure barb .

Well blah, not many barbs rages to 70 str or are well equipped before the attempt epics

[ThunderTank]

Wrong! You should be able to hit high AC epic monsters without destruction, even if you can't just make the first swing with a destruction weapon and go nuts.

Also i thought the OP had just mistaken the ranks/item part but you can't get 13 ranks as a pure barb .

Did u consider that not all dps in the group is a barbarian that can hit anything on epics even unbuffed , with PA on while doing triple backflips? The rogue or paladin in the group would also benefit from the destruction, increasing the overall dps in the group much more than a Disintegration guard would. Best bet is always having multiple DT armors of course. Since nobody need destruction for the regular elite content.

[Aranticus]

Did u consider that not all dps in the group is a barbarian that can hit anything on epics even unbuffed , with PA on while doing triple backflips? The rogue or paladin in the group would also benefit from the destruction, increasing the overall dps in the group much more than a Disintegration guard would. Best bet is always having multiple DT armors of course. Since nobody need destruction for the regular elite content.

the context was a barbarian. can other party members benefit from the destruction? yes. can other party members bring their own destruction? yes. can other party members benefit the same if the barb opened the attack with a destruction weapon? yes

the point is not whether a barb can hit an epic ac crazy mob or not. the point is why use a DT sov rune on destruction when you could easily switch weapon to a destruction, or improved destruction for that matter

[arjiwan]

/fail

+13 UMD item? I'll give ya capped plat for it!

I just hope the devs won't create a +13 UMD item just to mess with you

- any guard robes
- marilith chain
- dragontouched armors (personally I chose robes, because of the fast switching)

Dragontouched Vestments:

+5 Resistance
Corrosive Salt Guard
Destruction

Thanks Ambulance and Carpone

[QuantumFX]

… a +13 item saves you over 90k pp! I'm a fan.

I *knew* I forgot something when I True Reincarnated as a barbarian.

[Carpone]

Wrong! You should be able to hit high AC epic monsters without destruction, even if you can't just make the first swing with a destruction weapon and go nuts.

Epic Wiz King, Epic Devil Assault bosses (Turigalon and the other) and Epic Malicia have an AC in the 70s. You aren't hitting on a 2 with WF PA on.

It's not like you're limited to one set of DT armor, especially with the U7 changes. It's fairly trivial to get the Sovereign Rune you want now. I've already created three sets of DT armor -- one for raid tanking, one for raid DPS and one for soloing/TRing.

[Khanyth]

I saw a +13 UMD item on the Auction House today but it required a 76 UMD check (Race Restricted: Owlbears).

Nonononononono..... it was RR: Warforcling

[Tyndaleon]

Dragontouched Vestments:

+5 Resistance
Corrosive Salt Guard
Destruction

I with some guildmates are close to being able to craft DT armors. Question given the above vs. another fella's comment about having chosen robes: are the vestments 'fast switchers' like the robes? That'd be my preference between the two if so since nothing else appears to be different other than the look/appearance.

[HeavenlyCloud]

Epic Wiz King, Epic Devil Assault bosses (Turigalon and the other) and Epic Malicia have an AC in the 70s. You aren't hitting on a 2 with WF PA on.

It's not like you're limited to one set of DT armor, especially with the U7 changes. It's fairly trivial to get the Sovereign Rune you want now. I've already created three sets of DT armor -- one for raid tanking, one for raid DPS and one for soloing/TRing.

I am not a WF so i don't get the extra 3 and i will log in to see my to hit self buffed in a second :P but still switching to a weapon with improved destruction is way better than using destruction on sovereign rune.

Edit: Just checked a 57 self buffed To Hit on first attack. And i am still level 19 so missing capstone, mighty rage and couple of enhancements. Also no epic items . Bottom line i just don't think that destruction on sovereign is any good on a barb.

Also for some reason i don't like multiple sets of DT. I've always seen having multiple as a hassle. Mind if i ask what effects you got on your 3 sets of DT?

[HeavenlyCloud]

Did u consider that not all dps in the group is a barbarian that can hit anything on epics even unbuffed , with PA on while doing triple backflips? The rogue or paladin in the group would also benefit from the destruction, increasing the overall dps in the group much more than a Disintegration guard would. Best bet is always having multiple DT armors of course. Since nobody need destruction for the regular elite content.

Barb forums 'nuff said. Also read Aranticus response .

[ThunderTank]

Barb forums 'nuff said. Also read Aranticus response .

I did read and disagree. My 2 DT sets are : heal amp/crushingwave/disintegration and heal amp/crushing wave/Destruction guard.

There is no way in hell you are gonna sell me that swaping to a destruction weapon every 1 minute is better than keep swinging my e-sos/weighted maul/dreamspitter while doing destruction to the epic mobs.
Unless your groups only accept kensai fighters and barbarians on the lfm, i still can picture a handfull of situations where the destruction rune is more usefull on epic content, than an ubber 400~sh dmg over a 3% chance while being hit.

Keep in mind that i do use the disintegration guard on many situations, probably more often than the destruction. There are different opinions and playstyles, if u dont like swaping armor/docent that is your business. Mocking from someone else's opinion built from thousands of hours of epic grinding when u dont even have an epic item on your own barb is kinda silly though.

Barbs forums? Sorry tought it was the goat humping forum section. My bad.


ps: I do respect your opinion Aranticus. And know what was your point there. But saying that they are both usefull on different contexts is more likely than stating that everyone that uses Destruction on a Barb's DT is wrong. (the message i got from the player that posted above).

[ThunderTank]

I with some guildmates are close to being able to craft DT armors. Question given the above vs. another fella's comment about having chosen robes: are the vestments 'fast switchers' like the robes? That'd be my preference between the two if so since nothing else appears to be different other than the look/appearance.

Yes they fast switchers as well mate.

[Aranticus]

I did read and disagree. My 2 DT sets are : heal amp/crushingwave/disintegration and heal amp/crushing wave/Destruction guard.

There is no way in hell you are gonna sell me that swaping to a destruction weapon every 1 minute is better than keep swinging my e-sos/weighted maul/dreamspitter while doing destruction to the epic mobs. Unless your groups only accept kensai fighters and barbarians on the lfm, i still can picture a handfull of situations where the destruction rune is more usefull than an ubber 400~sh dmg over a 3% chance while being hit.

Keep in mind that i do use the disintegration guard on many situations, probably more often than the destruction. There are different opinions and playstyles, if u dont like swaping armor/docent that is your business. Mocking from someone else's opinion built from thousands of hours of epic grinding when u dont even have an epic item on your own barb is kinda silly though.

i dunno, most of the time epic trashs are held. for those that are unaffected, i use a destruction weapon and it does fine. as to other players benefiting from your destruction rune, why cant they have a destruction rune themselves?

[Kominalito]

I saw a +13 UMD item on the Auction House today but it required a 76 UMD check (Race Restricted: Owlbears).

/thunderous applause

[ThunderTank]

i dunno, most of the time epic trashs are held. for those that are unaffected, i use a destruction weapon and it does fine. as to other players benefiting from your destruction rune, why cant they have a destruction rune themselves?

Bc they are slacks. =P hehe
But in a situation where someone else is doing destruction(with a weapon like u do for instance) i would swap docents for max dps. (disintegration or epic dragon rather)
Are you one of those google bots? I posted like a second ago ! lol
Heading to bed. Gnite!

[Aranticus]

Bc they are slacks. =P hehe
But in a situation where someone else is doing destruction(with a weapon like u do for instance) i would swap docents for max dps. (disintegration or epic dragon rather)
Are you one of those google bots? I posted like a second ago ! lol
Heading to bed. Gnite!

lunchtime here and nothing to do

[biggin]

I saw a +13 UMD item on the Auction House today but it required a 76 UMD check (Race Restricted: Owlbears).

+1 for hilarity.