+6 Item only giving +2 after GR

[khaldan]

Amber makes a GS scepter with +6 / +1 / +2 charisma.

Amber has a base charisma of 10. She equips the weapon. What is her charisma after doing so?


Thank you for playing.


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Amber runs ToD, and gets one of the paladin rings.

Amber decides that getting a +9 cha scepter will be cool, because it gives +9 cha.

Amber makes it, and goes *** when she gets only 8 cha.

Yes, it's semantics, but it's needed semantics.

[SolarDawning]

It does exist. ergo, you are wrong.

I confuse nothing. And it doesn't change the fact that amber's gs weapon will add a +9 to her charisma.

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I am happy to help explain to you how ability score bonuses stack in this game.
Enhancement bonuses do not stack with other Enhancement bonuses. Only the highest applies.
Exceptional bonuses stack, but only with bonuses of different amounts. So a +1 and +2 bonus stack, but a +1 and +1 do not.
You can have one Inherent bonus per score. Only the highest applies.
You can have a "Feat" bonus, which comes from class and racial enhancements taken by your character. Class and racial enhancements stack together, but multiple ones to the same stat from different classes will not work.

If you say "+9 cha item", you had better be talking about +9 of a specific bonus, which does not exist in this game. The highest any item can have at present is a +7 enhancement bonus.

By lumping multiple bonuses together, you can cause confusion to people who do not understand the differences between multiple bonus types.

"My necklace has +6 charisma and my greensteel has +9! But equipping my greensteel does nothing!"
"But now I have this +7 charisma item, and it increased my charisma by 1! Why did this work, while the other didn't?"
"I have this +2 exceptional charisma on this ring, why isn't it working with my +9 item?"

I -never- lump bonus types together, to avoid exactly those sorts of situations when explaining bonuses to players.


I will not allow myself to be dragged into this further, so this is the last post in this thread from me. @OP: I am sorry it got derailed. I do hope you come back and post your stat breakdown so we can help.

[Pape_27]

Amber runs ToD, and gets one of the paladin rings.

Amber decides that getting a +9 cha scepter will be cool, because it gives +9 cha.

Amber makes it, and goes *** when she gets only 8 cha.

Yes, it's semantics, but it's needed semantics.

Yes it can be broken down better. But the fact remains Solar indicated a certain piece of equippment could not exist. He was proven wrong. Yes it was plainly stated instead of a total break down of every tier, but thats besides the point.

If you are offerning advice, you can ask for all the information under the sun. It would benefit the asker to provide the proper break down. But If you are offering advice and find that you are wrong, what are you going to do? continue to argue your point because you cant admit you were wrong? or suck it up and move on?

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[Gadget2775]

Thats not what she said. She said she was crafting a gs weapon that would have all cha bonuses.

She is worried that the +6 ascpect of the gs weapon she is crafting wont work properly because the current +6 item she is using appears to be bugged.

Whats so hard to understand about that?



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It's like trying to discuss physics with a fish...Futile. Not gona try anymore. Will just wait for the OP to update the thread if she needs more help.

[Freeman]

Ok, so in the future, if someone says "I get +9 Strength from my ring", please explain exactly what the bonuses are every single time. Also, be sure to mention if the item bonus doesn't stack with any spells or buffs to avoid confusion as well. For instance, if you mention that Tumbleweed gives a +2 bonus to hit, be sure to also include that it is a competence bonus, oh, and don't say it if you are currently buffed with Inspire Greatness, since the attack bonus doesn't stack with that song. While most people with even a small amount of game knowledge can figure out what you mean, we should all use baby talk and explain ever single detail at a level the lowest common denominator can understand, no matter who we are talking to.

As for the rest of us that prefer not to explain everything unless the explanation is actually needed, we'll keep using terminology that is understood by our peers instead of dumbing it down for others. The item stats and bonuses are inherent to the item and are independent of any other items or buffs present. The effects on your character may change, but that doesn't mean you change the way you refer to the item.

Edit: And my suspicion is that the OP figured out they had another item granting a charisma bonus, and they aren't likely to post again.

[SneakThief]

However, three separate bonuses totaling to 9 does not make a "+9 charisma" item.

Using unspecific terminology like that in a game which has specific rules for how and when bonus types stack together is a recipe for disaster.

The item bonus is what was referenced, not the effect on the character. No need to be obtuse and confuse the issue further by claiming such item doesn't exist.

Also I'm a bit worried about my +9 Greensteel item I started making if a +6 item is giving me +2 what would the +9 Greensteel give me? Should I scrap it?

The +6 Tier 1 effect will behave exactly the same as your +6 item.
As other have suggested ... find a nice instance alone away from everyone, take off all your equipment and then only equip your +6 item. Its very likely there is a +4 effect on an item (if not a potion or spell ... mass eagles splendor in a tavern) that you are not thinking of.