+6 Item only giving +2 after GR

[Amber-Dawnn]

So I just finished re-equipping all my items saving the +6 Cha item for last when I put it on it only gave me a +2

Before the GR I had a base of 24 Cha the item took it to 30 so I know the item had worked and I know I don't have another item or spell giving me a +4 to Cha

My Cha is now 32 when I equip the +6 it goes up to 34. It should be making it 38.

I'm not complaining but I was hoping the extra 4 Cha would boost my DC to 37.

Also I'm a bit worried about my +9 Greensteel item I started making if a +6 item is giving me +2 what would the +9 Greensteel give me? Should I scrap it?

Is this a glitch or normal?

[Freeman]

Take off all of your other equipment, and make sure you don't have any buffs currently. Then put the item on and see what happens. Chances are, you've got something else giving you +4 Charisma in a different slot already.

[CaptainCameo]

If doing that doesn't work and it's actually giving you only +2 then send in a bug report.

[Lithic]

If you tell us how you get to the 32 cha without a cha item, we may be able to help you out better.

[SolarDawning]

Amber, could you please post a breakdown of your charisma? What is your base score, and what other increases (Enhancements, tomes, items) do you have?

You're making a mistake somewhere along the way.

Also I'm a bit worried about my +9 Greensteel item I started making if a +6 item is giving me +2 what would the +9 Greensteel give me? Should I scrap it?

This does not exist. You must be confusing exceptional bonus to skills with exceptional bonus to ability scores.

If doing that doesn't work and it's actually giving you only +2 then send in a bug report.

This isn't necessarily a good idea. To be frank, it sounds like you're just confused about what modifiers you have, and how they stack. Chances are just about nil that there's any sort of bug involving ability score totals.

[CaptainCameo]

This does not exist. You must be confusing exceptional bonus to skills with exceptional bonus to ability scores.

I think she just mistyped the +6 on the +9

This isn't necessarily a good idea. To be frank, it sounds like you're just confused about what modifiers you have, and how they stack. Chances are just about nil that there's any sort of bug involving ability score totals.

I've seen bugs with items happen before. Especially after the Updates.

[platonicx]

If you tell us how you get to the 32 cha without a cha item, we may be able to help you out better.

yeah becouse i think its not possible .. lets see

20 base assuming some drow wierdo
+3 enchments ..... w/e
+5 level ups
+4 tome

yeah ok so its possible but as far as i can tell only as a drow with a +4 tome ... so is that ur case?

Btw just hover ur mouse over the cha stat it will show u a break down which might help figure it out

[Freeman]

yeah becouse i think its not possible .. lets see

20 base assuming some drow wierdo
+3 enchments ..... w/e
+5 level ups
+4 tome

yeah ok so its possible but as far as i can tell only as a drow with a +4 tome ... so is that ur case?

Btw just hover ur mouse over the cha stat it will show u a break down which might help figure it out

Actually, they mentioned doing a GR, which shouldn't be available for a drow, so it isn't technically possible. Human could only get a 31 max, and that's at level 20.

[SneakThief]

This does not exist. You must be confusing exceptional bonus to skills with exceptional bonus to ability scores.

Pos/Pos/Pos wep ... +6 CHA/+1 Excp CHA/+2 Excp CHA = +9 CHA

Skills would only be +6 ... +1/+2/+3

[SolarDawning]

Pos/Pos/Pos wep ... +6 CHA/+1 Excp CHA/+2 Excp CHA = +9 CHA

Skills would only be +6 ... +1/+2/+3

And that is the main misconception. Such a weapon has a +6 enhancement bonus to charisma, +1 exceptional bonus to charisma, and a +2 exceptional bonus to charisma.
That adds up to +9, yes.

However, three separate bonuses totaling to 9 does not make a "+9 charisma" item.

Using unspecific terminology like that in a game which has specific rules for how and when bonus types stack together is a recipe for disaster.

[Blackbird]

And that is the main misconception. Such a weapon has a +6 enhancement bonus to charisma, +1 exceptional bonus to charisma, and a +2 exceptional bonus to charisma.
That adds up to +9, yes.

However, three separate bonuses totaling to 9 does not make a "+9 charisma" item.

Using unspecific terminology like that in a game which has specific rules for how and when bonus types stack together is a recipe for disaster.

So how would you refer to it? Do you say a TOD ring gives +6/+1/+2 bonus to Strength? If there's only one way to reach the total, then there's not much need to break it down individually unless you think someone requires an explanation. When people are referring to a specific piece of equipment, I usually see them give the total bonus, not the individual breakdown. I've never heard someone say a +15/+20/+25 HP item, instead saying +45 HP item. It is only if you are using different sources(say DT armor and Shroud item) that it needs to be more specific.

[SolarDawning]

So how would you refer to it? Do you say a TOD ring gives +6/+1/+2 bonus to Strength? If there's only one way to reach the total, then there's not much need to break it down individually unless you think someone requires an explanation. When people are referring to a specific piece of equipment, I usually see them give the total bonus, not the individual breakdown. I've never heard someone say a +15/+20/+25 HP item, instead saying +45 HP item. It is only if you are using different sources(say DT armor and Shroud item) that it needs to be more specific.

I don't lump different kinds of bonuses together, no.
Yes, I do say "My ToD ninja spy ring has a +6 enhancement bonus to dexterity, and a +1 exceptional bonus to dexterity". I don't say "My ToD ring has a +7 bonus to dexterity".

This is because it is entirely different than, say, Epic Spectral Gloves, which are +7 enhancement bonus to dexterity.

[Pape_27]

I don't lump different kinds of bonuses together, no.
Yes, I do say "My ToD ninja spy ring has a +6 enhancement bonus to dexterity, and a +1 exceptional bonus to dexterity". I don't say "My ToD ring has a +7 bonus to dexterity".

This is because it is entirely different than, say, Epic Spectral Gloves, which are +7 enhancement bonus to dexterity.

Just read the thread... Is it really that hard for you to admit that you are wrong? lol


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[SolarDawning]

Just read the thread... Is it really that hard for you to admit that you are wrong? lol


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My intention is not to argue. I would like to explain to the OP in what way they are mis-calculating their bonuses, unfortunately I cannot do that without more specific information as to their equipment and ability score breakdown.

However, I will say this clearly. +6 enhancement and +1 (as an example) exceptional is not a +7 bonus.

It is a +6 enhancement and a +1 exceptional bonus. Confuse them at your own risk.

[Pape_27]

My intention is not to argue. I would like to explain to the OP in what way they are mis-calculating their bonuses, unfortunately I cannot do that without more specific information as to their equipment and ability score breakdown.

However, I will say this clearly. +6 enhancement and +1 (as an example) exceptional is not a +7 bonus.

It is a +6 enhancement and a +1 exceptional bonus. Confuse them at your own risk.

6 + 1 = 7. seems simple enough to me.

There must be some kinda new fangled ddo math that you are using if 7 does not equal 6 +1 in your world.

This does not exist. You must be confusing exceptional bonus to skills with exceptional bonus to ability scores.

It does exist. ergo, you are wrong.

I confuse nothing. And it doesn't change the fact that amber's gs weapon will add a +9 to her charisma.

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[Gadget2775]

So how would you refer to it? Do you say a TOD ring gives +6/+1/+2 bonus to Strength? If there's only one way to reach the total, then there's not much need to break it down individually unless you think someone requires an explanation. When people are referring to a specific piece of equipment, I usually see them give the total bonus, not the individual breakdown. I've never heard someone say a +15/+20/+25 HP item, instead saying +45 HP item. It is only if you are using different sources(say DT armor and Shroud item) that it needs to be more specific.

Flawed logic.
First, the OP stated he's equipping a +6 item that isn't providing +6. Then states he/she thinks a Shroud item will grant +9. In this case it's essential to explain the Shroud item isn't a straight up +9, it's a +6 Enchantment (which won't stack with another Enchantment item, IE the previously equipped +6 and the suspected +4), a +1 exceptional bonus (which will stack with everything but another +1 exceptional) and a +2 exceptional (which will stack with everything but another +2 exceptional).

Second, when folks provide a thorough breakdown of stats they usually separate the bonuses so that people can easily identify where everything comes from...IE
18 Base
05 Level Up
04 Tome
03 Exceptional
03 Enhancement
06 Item/Enchanment
01 Air Ship
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40

[khaldan]

It does exist. ergo, you are wrong.

I confuse nothing. And it doesn't change the fact that amber's gs weapon will add a +9 to her charisma.

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A +9 what? Because it's not +9 enhancement.

As for the rest of your post that you edited, If I have the AA ToD ring and epic spectrals(both +7, under your idea), why am I getting +8?

And before you take that the wrong way, that's why we seperate bonuses.

[Gadget2775]

**SNIP**

It does exist. ergo, you are wrong.

I confuse nothing. And it doesn't change the fact that amber's gs weapon will add a +9 to her charisma.

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It doesn't add 9 if she already has a +6 enchantment item equipped.

[Pape_27]

A +9 what? Because it's not +9 enhancement.

Amber makes a GS scepter with +6 / +1 / +2 charisma.

Amber has a base charisma of 10. She equips the weapon. What is her charisma after doing so?


Thank you for playing.


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[Pape_27]

It doesn't add 9 if she already has a +6 enchantment item equipped.

Thats not what she said. She said she was crafting a gs weapon that would have all cha bonuses.

She is worried that the +6 ascpect of the gs weapon she is crafting wont work properly because the current +6 item she is using appears to be bugged.

Whats so hard to understand about that?



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