Increase XP in lvl 17+ content

[sephiroth1084]

Basically, there is a dearth of XP available after the Vale, mostly due to there being very few quests in the 16-20 range, but also because many of those quests offer a very small percentage of the XP required to advance at that level.

What I mean is that, at level 14, let's say, running a Gianthold quest in 30 minutes for 6,000 XP is worth much more, comparatively, than running an Inspired Quarter quest at level 18 in the same amount of time and for roughly the same amount of XP, because the amount of XP required to get from 18 to 19 is much, much greater than to get from 14 to 15.

One solution, obviously, is to add more quests in this level range, but that takes time.

The solution I'm suggesting is to increase the XP in these quests to represent a bigger chunk of a percentage of that required to advance a level. I'm looking at the 500,000 XP required to get from 18 to 19 on a double TR, and looking at the amount of XP most quests in this range are offering and am getting incredibly discouraged.

Yes, a couple of the Reaver's Refuge quests are worth a lot of XP, and the Vale quests are worth a ton on elite (more than almost every other individual quest that comes after them), but the grind is ridiculous. Getting from 19 to 20 is going to be really awful, though there will at least be more options due to the availability of both the Dreaming Dark and Amrath quest lines.

At the very least, this could be used as a stopgap measure until more content is released: increase the XP on these quests by 25-100% now, then when we get more content dial the XP back (though they should probably be worth more in the end than they are currently anyway).

[elraido]

Thing is, almost all the IQ quests can be run in 5-10 on normal. You literally can get 2 times as many runs in vs most other missions.

[Twerpp]

/signed

Not that IQ quests should have more XP though. They suck balls and they are way too easy. Making the most pathetic high level quests into a mandatory main level up grind would be a big mistake.

[elraido]

/signed

Not that IQ quests should have more XP though. They suck balls and they are way too easy. Making the most pathetic high level quests into a mandatory main level up grind would be a big mistake.

I personally like the IQ quests.

[ulticleo]

Having capped several toons and (only) one TR, I can say that while, yes, I would love some more content, there is no need to increase the current xp.

First off, each of the IQ and dreaming dark quests take far less then 30 min, and are much shorter (and heck, easier) then the vale quests, not to mention amrath.

Second, there is still plenty of XP at these levels. I don't think the intention was for level 17-20 to be nearly as fast as say, level 10-15. by the time you run vale elite, amrath norm/hard (and possibly elite), IQ n/h/e, dreaming dark, a little vale/devil battlefield e/r/s, and raid a bit, the XP adds up more quickly then you think. yes, you'll be "stuck" at level 18/19 for a bit as a TR/double TR, but what does that matter? for all intent and purpose, a level 18 is almost as good as a level 20. yes, they don't have all the perks yet, but they can run any and all content in the game, *especially* a TR.

/not signed

more content for high level characters please (been repeated ad nausium), but don't worry about changing the xp on current content.

[Renvar]

I personally like the IQ quests.

I agree. Much more fun than Prey on the Hunter or ETK. Not quite as cool as amrath, but then, amrath quests are generally longer and are definitely more of a challenge. Sometimes you want steak and sometimes you want hamburger. I think IQ is a good fit.

[PCNONSENSE]

The Xp for Bastion and most Amrath quests is a joke in my opinion...

I can travel to their plane and crush their BASTION OF POWER and get far less xp than most Tangleroot is what I would call an oversight!!!

[Renvar]

yes, you'll be "stuck" at level 18/19 for a bit as a TR/double TR, but what does that matter? for all intent and purpose, a level 18 is almost as good as a level 20. yes, they don't have all the perks yet, but they can run any and all content in the game, *especially* a TR.

They can't run epics. So no, they cannot run any and all content in the game.

And, if you haven't run a double TR to cap yet, you really haven't the experience to understand just how daunting it is. A double TR is at 17th level with 3 million XP. They need 1 million XP to cap from there.

And by the time they got to 3 million (cap for a 1st TR) they have already run all the stuff you mentioned and all major raids 7+ times.

[sephiroth1084]

Having capped several toons and (only) one TR, I can say that while, yes, I would love some more content, there is no need to increase the current xp.

First off, each of the IQ and dreaming dark quests take far less then 30 min, and are much shorter (and heck, easier) then the vale quests, not to mention amrath.

Have you tried leveling a double TR, where you require basically an entire normal life's worth of XP to get from level 18 to level 20 (I think it's around 1.1 million XP off the top of my head).

Second, there is still plenty of XP at these levels. I don't think the intention was for level 17-20 to be nearly as fast as say, level 10-15. by the time you run vale elite, amrath norm/hard (and possibly elite), IQ n/h/e, dreaming dark, a little vale/devil battlefield e/r/s, and raid a bit, the XP adds up more quickly then you think. yes, you'll be "stuck" at level 18/19 for a bit as a TR/double TR, but what does that matter? for all intent and purpose, a level 18 is almost as good as a level 20. yes, they don't have all the perks yet, but they can run any and all content in the game, *especially* a TR.

/not signed

more content for high level characters please (been repeated ad nausium), but don't worry about changing the xp on current content.

A level 18 TR is not the same as a level 20 character normally. A lvl 18 TR can't run epics, is severally hampering their road to capping if they touch any quests above their level at that point (Amrath and DD), and haven't attained all of their build features. Sure, a pure wizard doesn't change much from level 18 to 20, but any sort of multiclass can change extraordinarily in those last couple levels.

In my (eventually) 18/2 paladin's case, he doesn't have Defender of Siberys 3 until level 20, which is fairly significant (missing 2 AC from set bonus, 1 AC from stance, Str and Con from stance, faster movement while stanced) and doesn't have access to his epic items. So, no, 18 is not equivalent to 20.

Thing is, almost all the IQ quests can be run in 5-10 on normal. You literally can get 2 times as many runs in vs most other missions.

Ok...I'm not talking about time, I'm talking about grind and repetition. If I wanted to just run IQ stuff, to level from 18-19, I'd have to run each quest something like 15 or 20 times, and still got hit elite Vale and SoS quests. Obviously it would be silly to be trying to level off of just IQ stuff, but since I spent most of levels 16 and 17 running Vale and SoS quests, I'd prefer to not have to also lean on those for yet another level (or 2).

Yeah, the IQ quests are quick and rather easy (and somewhat dull), but they are still level 18 quests that are worth less XP than almost every other quest you could run from level 13 on. The Mindsunder is worth around 8,000 XP, while I think all of the Orchard quests and nearly all of the Gianthold quests are worth at least that much, and their capstone quests (Litany, Abbot, Tor, Reaver) are worth 10,000-20,000 XP each.

Don't look at the quests in a vacuum: consider what you'd be running from 15-18, how many times you'll have had to repeat each quest, and also how small a percentage of the required XP to level the IQ quests are worth versus how much quests at other levels are worth toward advancement.

[Drona]

/signed

The amount of XP i get in vale is totally ridiculous (and laughable). I want all the XP to be increased to 100%, as OP has said.

If some of u want to grind, no problem. But sorry, majority of us have job, family so can only spend some time, unlike WoW kids at school and college.

thnx

[Thelmallen]

/signed

I haven't double-TRd anyone yet cuz I just don't feel like grinding that much XP in the level 17-20 range. If they would let lvl 18+ TRs run epics, it would be a nice little perk as they could contribute and get the xp benefits from it as well..

[Bloodhaven]

Increasing the xp in quests in the 18-19 range is a good idea.

Getting 2-3 times more xp from a level 17 quest that takes as long to do as a level 19 quest makes little sense.

xp from level 18-19 quests should be 2-3 times more than xp from 15-17 quests.

[sephiroth1084]

/signed

I haven't double-TRd anyone yet cuz I just don't feel like grinding that much XP in the level 17-20 range. If they would let lvl 18+ TRs run epics, it would be a nice little perk as they could contribute and get the xp benefits from it as well..

This is a rather important point.

I had been contemplating doing multiple TRs on several of my characters, but now that I've experienced the grind first-hand, I find myself reconsidering and trying to find ways to get the most out of just a single TR, only because of the ridiculous XP grind at the end of the game.

[elraido]

Yeah, the IQ quests are quick and rather easy (and somewhat dull), but they are still level 18 quests that are worth less XP than almost every other quest you could run from level 13 on. The Mindsunder is worth around 8,000 XP, while I think all of the Orchard quests and nearly all of the Gianthold quests are worth at least that much, and their capstone quests (Litany, Abbot, Tor, Reaver) are worth 10,000-20,000 XP each.

Don't look at the quests in a vacuum: consider what you'd be running from 15-18, how many times you'll have had to repeat each quest, and also how small a percentage of the required XP to level the IQ quests are worth versus how much quests at other levels are worth toward advancement.

Instead of increasing the amount of xp in those levels, they should *gasp* actually make new missions.

[Thrudh]

The problem isn't the experience... The problem is double TR requirements...

There is plenty of exp to level normal characters and single TR characters...

Double TR characters have do a lot of grinding...

But increasing the experience on high-level quests will make it too easy for the normal and single TR characters.

Double-TRs should have the same experience requirements as single TR, but they should have to do certain quests on elite at each level to advance to the next level.

Premium players will have to buy the adventure packs required if they want to double-TR.

There, solved the experience problem, the grinding issue, and I've gotten people to play more of the quests instead of just grinding the high XP/min ones.

[Scarecrow9]

/signed

at least for amrath quests, the xp in some of those is pathetic in comparison imo

[Canuckish]

/signed

They definitly need to increase the XP in later quests, the game is not about grinding, its supposed to be the game without the grind, and having to repeat any quest more then 3 times (n\h\e) is grinding and not a whole lot of fun.

And if the game is not fun, then people will leave, i know doing my TR now its tempting.

[Kza]

As i see it: ic quest xp nice, amrath quests a tad low xp.

If they up amrath xp some, and get in next update a nice pack of lvl 18 quests that are not insanely hard on normal i think most of the problems about TR xp would go away.

But right now you more or less grind out ic quests mindlessly for xp, and for me atleast (and as it looks like more) dont think that is so fun.

And i want to have fun :-)

(And when high lvl quests come, plz plz let em be doable for most on normal- not good if we get new quests and they are so hard on n that it still are faster xp/min doing an ic quest for the 8:th repetition...)

[sephiroth1084]

Instead of increasing the amount of xp in those levels, they should *gasp* actually make new missions.

Well, that's what I want, ultimately, but I think a mid-update patch to bump up the XP on these quests would likely take an hour or two of dev time, vs. the lengthy process required for creating new content that will necessarily not come for several months.

The problem isn't the experience... The problem is double TR requirements...

There is plenty of exp to level normal characters and single TR characters...

Double TR characters have do a lot of grinding...

But increasing the experience on high-level quests will make it too easy for the normal and single TR characters.

Double-TRs should have the same experience requirements as single TR, but they should have to do certain quests on elite at each level to advance to the next level.

Premium players will have to buy the adventure packs required if they want to double-TR.

There, solved the experience problem, the grinding issue, and I've gotten people to play more of the quests instead of just grinding the high XP/min ones.

I dislike required quests for leveling. There are quests some people like and some others don't. Would you enjoy it if you had to run all of the Necro 3 tombs in order to advance to level 12? If you had to run the Titan to get to level 13?

For the record, I hate the Necro 3 tombs, except for the Cursed Crypt, and like the Titan, but get incredibly frustrated trying to get an on-level group for it going.

Lowering the requirements for double-TRs would be an excellent solution, and I admit that I had lost sight of the fact that normal characters and single-TRs would be able to level much faster (perhaps too fast) with the increased XP, although I maintain that the percentage of the XP these quests are worth of the total XP required to advance from level 17 to 18, 18 to 19 and 19 to 20 is pitifully low when compared to the quest : level ratio at other levels.

[shagath]

/ Not signed. More high level content yes, but do not make it easire to get to 20!

Seems like people are calling for an easy button. You don't need to TR. With TR you get more powerful character with a bit more work. If you are not up for this task, don't do it. I think even double TR gets to lvl20 too easily. This more powerful character is a reward of your work, not something that should be easy to get.