intimidation not working properly

[hockeyrama]

I ran a vision of destruction with my tank who is level 17 with a 64 intimidation on normal. I would get the light to pop over his head but many times he would still turn.

Let me be clear so everyone understands exactly what happened. I tanked him like I do all the time and pull in the corner. Go into stalwart defender mode and just turtle and hit intimi. He would be swinging away. Then the group would see me hit a fresh intimi and then go swinging and with the yellow finger over his head he would still turn. he did not do it all the time but it made no sense. I asked another tank and he said that happened once with horoth for him. It is not a question of how high my intimidation is as he failed the save (thus the finger over the head). So it not like they bumped up the save on this quest. It is just weird as he would turn but kinda was random. Since i was not attacking at all then if it was damage related he should have turned everytime. However, I could hold him for a while so just not sure what is happening. He would just randomly turn whether freshly intimidated, 2 secs ago, or whenever.

I ahve tanked him a fair number of times and have done the quest alot with other tanks and never ever saw his head light up and him turn right away. That happened around 10:45 EST on October 21st.

Would love an answer if anyone knows it.

[Hobgoblin]

just a thought, but did you have anyone ranging him?

that can cause the aggro to go haywire

hob

[MajinSensei]

I got a level 20 intim tank and with 72 intim, I experienced the same thing on VoD elite

The same thing also happened on tod normal (i was tanking sully) and this bug happened a lot, same thing with our tank that is tanking horoth

all 12 of us see the intim icons on their head but the tanks aren't getting the aggro

[Aranticus]

i usually wait for my intim to run out, see suulo turn to party and before he smacks party, hit intim to turn him back to me. some times, due to lag or whatever reason, suulo loses agro

[hockeyrama]

but it not lag, or anything if he has the intimi over his head and turns (I also just hit it and there was no delay in animation). I could understand it doing it once. However, it happened alot. It might be due to the range issue but that would be a bug for sure. As the intimi lasts 6 seconds and I hit again at 6 seconds. If I have his aggro and he gets hit with range he should stay on me. If he is leaving due to range attacks it is a problem as that is not how the intimi works in this game.

I was thinking it could be more like a harry in chapter 5 in shroud but then after many discussions it appears it is completely random and most runs he will not turn at all. Then the odd run he does this.

I am curious as if he going to do this all the time there is no point intimi tanking him and will just have to hate tank him. However, he is one of the best quests for intimitanks and if he can't be tanked and horoth turns sometimes then what the point doing a tank if the best tank quests are not broke.

Worked hard on my tank and still have a few more things to get but why should I botther if the intimi is broke.

Intimitank toons turtle and hold aggro. If that is broke then why build one? I hope this is jsut a very rare glitch but never heard of it weeks ago and found it is starting to happen.

[Osharan_Tregarth]

i usually wait for my intim to run out, see suulo turn to party and before he smacks party, hit intim to turn him back to me. some times, due to lag or whatever reason, suulo loses agro

This is also what I've been having to do, pretty much on any mob that can self teleport. Other mobs(like the dq) I don't need to do this.

[hockeyrama]

This is also what I've been having to do, pretty much on any mob that can self teleport. Other mobs(like the dq) I don't need to do this.

still tried that on harry today in shroud part 4, and he just kept turning (again, not every single intimi but enough that it was kinda useless and i just switched to dps mode. That 2 times i tanked since update and both times same thing. DId not matter when i hit the intimi. If he was turning and i idid it he would still hit them then turn back to me.

I have had a few others chat about noticing this since the update and it not very rare. Someone told me they saw it once before th update so I guess it was there but it seems to happen alot.

[Aranticus]

still tried that on harry today in shroud part 4, and he just kept turning (again, not every single intimi but enough that it was kinda useless and i just switched to dps mode. That 2 times i tanked since update and both times same thing. DId not matter when i hit the intimi. If he was turning and i idid it he would still hit them then turn back to me.

I have had a few others chat about noticing this since the update and it not very rare. Someone told me they saw it once before th update so I guess it was there but it seems to happen alot.

Ok I'm totally confused now, Harry or suulo? By all accounts, Harry doesn't hold agro, suulo respond well to the method I described

[lugoman]

I ran a vision of destruction with my tank who is level 17 with a 64 intimidation on normal. I would get the light to pop over his head but many times he would still turn.

Let me be clear so everyone understands exactly what happened. I tanked him like I do all the time and pull in the corner. Go into stalwart defender mode and just turtle and hit intimi. He would be swinging away. Then the group would see me hit a fresh intimi and then go swinging and with the yellow finger over his head he would still turn. he did not do it all the time but it made no sense. I asked another tank and he said that happened once with horoth for him. It is not a question of how high my intimidation is as he failed the save (thus the finger over the head). So it not like they bumped up the save on this quest. It is just weird as he would turn but kinda was random. Since i was not attacking at all then if it was damage related he should have turned everytime. However, I could hold him for a while so just not sure what is happening. He would just randomly turn whether freshly intimidated, 2 secs ago, or whenever.

I ahve tanked him a fair number of times and have done the quest alot with other tanks and never ever saw his head light up and him turn right away. That happened around 10:45 EST on October 21st.

Would love an answer if anyone knows it.

Had the same thing happen to me on a normal VoD. Everything was fine until he warped at the second wave of orthons, then he would drop agro every now and then even though the intim icon was showing over his head.

Before U7 I noticed that sometimes in a cubby he would fail the intim roll but no icon would show over his head and he could drop agro. I assumed this was some geometry glitch. This is something different as he failed the roll and the icon showed up and he wasnt in a cubby.

[Osharan_Tregarth]

still tried that on harry today in shroud part 4, and he just kept turning (again, not every single intimi but enough that it was kinda useless and i just switched to dps mode. That 2 times i tanked since update and both times same thing. DId not matter when i hit the intimi. If he was turning and i idid it he would still hit them then turn back to me.

I have had a few others chat about noticing this since the update and it not very rare. Someone told me they saw it once before th update so I guess it was there but it seems to happen alot.

Harry has always been pretty random on aggro, so this isn't new or anything. It's why most of the vets make fun of sword and board intimidators in the shroud, since they are pretty much always better off just going to dps mode for parts 4 and 5.

I intimidated the end boss in devil assault epic night before last using the method Aranticus described.. So it's still working as far as I can tell.

[Zapho]

Just had the same experience in a tod party, theey seem to ignore the 2nd intimi, not just a few of the checks but every 2nd intimi check. the whole field got messed up and we had to go for hate tanking instead

And it was no lag issue, just something wrong with intimidate. Both me (Suulo Tank) and the main tank had the same problem.

[Missing_Minds]

Would love an answer if anyone knows it.

Honeslty, ago in general seems a bit wonked.

aggro in all quests, all levels is not as it was in U6, so it isn't just a singular quest, singular entity.

[Zapho]

Think it might be something they changed in the last mod, seems if you get lower roll on your intimidate than the 1 you had before it wont apply. Dont notice it in regular questing but in raids the bosses turns on the melee with most agro until you get a fresh intimi on him.

Any devs who can confirm my theory?

[Zapho]

Ok I'm totally confused now, Harry or suulo? By all accounts, Harry doesn't hold agro, suulo respond well to the method I described

Actually seems Harry holds Intimi agro quite well after the last update, well exept for the bug we currently have on the intimidate

[TimethiefXVI]

just a thought, but did you have anyone ranging him?

that can cause the aggro to go haywire

hob

have heared it too often yet and its still wrong.
im building kinda team with my guldi on his intim and me on my archer. esp in vod its a great combo. as soon as sally turns away im on it pulling him back, on the otherside i can charge manyshot as often as i want and any time i want.
The messing u mean is the fact that the initial attack of an AA is manyshot, this means a big boost to the aggro. now the intim is swallowed by the server/delayed whatever, who do think sally is aiming for? the barb or the archer?.

the only way ranged can mess up intim is when the intim fails on his job and u start kiting like a headless chicken

[Rasczak]

Made my own thread before I saw this one.

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php...08#post3361308


Definitely not working. Horoth in Tower get's the intimi symbol, whole raid group can see it. He still runs off and aggros people who weren't near him.

Suulo in VoD turns around even though the intimi symbol flashes up and takes another intimi to geth im to turn around.

Almost as though the thing is acting like diplomacy....intimi...success...boss runs off.

[synkos]

Almost as though the thing is acting like diplomacy....intimi...success...boss runs off.

Hmm.. did anyone try using diplomacy? Maybe the powers that be made a typo and somehow switched them with the paladin changes?

[voodoogroves]

Check the other threads out there; this one is about Intimidate, but there are others about "why am I pulling aggro" ... monks, rogues, fighters hell my BARD was pulling aggro randomly in VoD. I'd love to think my mighty beefcake DPS was the cause and get all filled with pride at my uber build, but I'm no pure barb/fighter/etc.

Everyone seems to be seeing a change in boss behavior.

[phillymiket]

Any word on this?

It isn't just be ranged agro, lag or other stuff because the behavior of the bosses is so different for every group I've been in since the update.

Have the devs commented yet? I looked but couldn't find a response.

I was thinking of LRing a fighter to Intimitank for a change of pace from my Monk, melee FVS and Barb but not if the skill is now so random.

[hockeyrama]

first:
harry could always be tanked effectively in part 4 but would random attack in part 5. I part 5 all the3 intimi would do was hold him in place so if you did not have him surrounded (say one player died) he would not run off. So yes, he can be tanked in part 4. That was before the update. Now he does the same thing sulu started doing.
second:
intimidation is not working as suppossed to period. It will not hold aggro. They will turn at any random time. It seems more like intimidate is giving and attack value (say 2000 damage) and that if someone doing more on his back then he will turn even on a fresh intimidate.
third:
there is no official mention or response to this thread.
fourth:
as mentioned sulu is doing this as well and random bosses on different quests.
fifth:
I love my tank but he is kinda useless in quets where he was great and made for. What the point of intimitanking if it is a "might" hold. NOw it better to jsut get all the half-orc barbs you can and have them swing away as fast as possible. WHy use strategy. Just DPS. Seems turbine by accident, or on purpose, is making it that the only way to be good in the game is to focus completely on DPS. Need intel to get combat expertise (why, if no intimitank then why bother, just get PA and a good cleric friend). Want to try a strategy on a boss other then hate tank or sorc jumping around fw then go play another game as that is all you can do now.

sixth:
The intimitank is a hard build to make work, it requires lots of patience, gear and a player who knows how to use him. If intimidation is broke then all the tanks will eventually realize they are now gimped, useless, and need to be TR or something. I would hate to have this happen. I put alot of work in this toon and now feel completely frustrated. He can do DPS but not as well as if I focused on that form the start.


Please Turbine give us an update as to what happened here. There is a fix today and I hope that this is in the fix. however, since they doing another holiday night it would appear that they fixed the sound and the halloween night and nowhere have i seen anything about the intimidation. I guess that fact they may have ruined all the tank builds is not as important as a halloween event. I would like a response to this issue as intimidation was not something that was suppossed to change on the update and it did (just ask all the people who have been tanking since the update).