Omg You Need Wis Or You Are A Gimp

[Zachski]

Has anyone run into someone like this? I did. It was awhile back, but still.

I was asking about the best way to get an Owl's Wisdom clickie in chat so that I could potentially cast Divine Favor, since I had just hit level 4.

This guy asked my what my WIS Score was.

When I was explaining that my build had 8 WIS, he freaked. He was like "Your build is gimp. You need to reroll."

And despite a dozen people explaining to him that Paladins only ever need 14 Wis, he scoffed and said "No. You need SP to cast your healing spells. You need more Wis than that!"

And I think (but can't remember) that he also scoffed the idea of having high Charisma.

And then he ended with "Stupid noobs. This is why I hate playing on the weekend. So many people spreading misinformation!"

So... have you Paladins vets and newbies ever encountered someone like this?

[Jakarr]

I also run into these "experts" examples like the one ya put down, rangers needing wisdom FvS starting with 8/10 Cha=gimp. The idea of a wizard/sorc running around low lvls with buff and a Carnifex or hell even a cleric/fvs doing it.

I just move on b/c there is no use in talkin with em

[Ralmeth]

I wouldn't worry about it. He apparently doesn't know anything about Paladin builds. A starting 8 wisdom is perfectly fine on a Paladin...A +2 tome and +6 item and you're at a 16, which is more than enough...A high wisdom, low charisma Paladin? What a noob...

[underpants]

"Your build is gimp. You need to reroll."

Is a common thing to say most likely he was not being serious

/gimped reroll

[Fomori]

I wouldn't worry about it. He apparently doesn't know anything about Paladin builds. A starting 8 wisdom is perfectly fine on a Paladin...A +2 tome and +6 item and you're at a 16, which is more than enough...A high wisdom, low charisma Paladin? What a noob...

Bingo Ralmeth! +1

I would say Charisma is more important for a Pally than Wis. You need natural (base+level upgrades+tomes) Cha at certain levels to get Divine Might;

Divine Might I - Cha 14
Divine Might II - Cha 16
Divine Might III - Cha 18
Divine Might IV - Cha 20

[therobb]

I'd imagine the conversation went something like this.

Conversation between two level 4 characters:

Pseudo expert: "Dude, you need a higher wisdom score."

OP: "Not really."

Pseudo expert: "Trust me. I know what I'm talking about. I have a paladin who's level 9."

[flynnjsw]

"Your build is gimp. You need to reroll."

Is a common thing to say most likely he was not being serious

/gimped reroll

Considering how many threads I have seen in the past asking about how high their wisdoms need to be to cast spells, I honestly doubt its a joke.

When I TR my current WF Pali, he will start with 6 Wis, and still be able to cast his spells

[taurean430]

They are fun to troll if you are standing around waiting for a raid to fill.

My personal favorite was the guy claiming that my high charisma pally was gimp. I was more or less like thanks, cause we are gimpin' ain't easy. After going a few rounds with him, turns out he was in the VOD group I was in. I had a lot of fun outkilling him and annoucing my gimpy kills via tells. To top it off he died 4 times on the way there, and twice in the quest. Following the raid I asked him how that high wisdom was working out for him.

[Ciaran]

I wouldn't worry about it. He apparently doesn't know anything about Paladin builds. A starting 8 wisdom is perfectly fine on a Paladin...A +2 tome and +6 item and you're at a 16, which is more than enough...A high wisdom, low charisma Paladin? What a noob...

Oddly enough, I played one of these a few years ago for the National D&D Day thing at my local comic store. It was an adventure with pre-made characters that came from WOTC and the paladin was exactly like this, low CHA high WIS. The guy DMing for us allowed me to swap the scores.

GOOOOO WOTC!

[LunaCee]

Shoot the WIS on my paladin is a mere 12, with a +2 tome to make it 14... and the only time I'll get around to actually putting a WIS item on her is when I get the con-op item crafted.

CHA on the other hand is way up there.

[t0r012]

<sarc>
OMG why would you start with an 8 wis you nOOb , your so GIMP! you can't even cast cure light wounds how are you going to hjeals me?!?!?!?!?

Lots of cha?!?!?! nOOb, WHAt does a pally need CHA for? I bet you have an UBER high STR too? You need ALL WISDOM !!!!!!111!!one!!one!!!111
</sarc>

[AylinIsAwesome]

I've run into a couple players like that.

The first was a high WIS and DEX, low CHA and STR build using daggers.

The second, well... From what I can tell, started with 16 WIS and 8 CON.

[t0r012]

I've run into a couple players like that.

The first was a high WIS and DEX, low CHA and STR build using daggers.

The second, well... From what I can tell, started with 16 WIS and 8 CON.

<sarc>
pallys are the uber and can hjeals ourselves , we don;t need Con !!!!111!!!1one!!!1111one!!11
</sarc>

[Bracosius]

I hear this all the time...from bumbling morons aswering every question in general chat. 90% of the time the answers are wrong , 10% of the time they are blatant lies.

[Zenako]

I often cut some players some slack on the issue. The whole Paradigm of the best Paly build has shifted with the PrE's and the Divine Might enhancement chains.

My old classic Paladin build with High CHA (When I started D&D you had to have a starting stat of 17 in CHA to be a Paly!) that I rolled with early on, went from being a nice support toon with good LoH ability and powerful Save boosts, to someone who can actually hold their own and be more than an afterthought. Yes it is still a click fest, but it is fine, and they can be dang survivable.

So when someone starts spouting nonsense I ask them if they have considered all the newer changes to the game? (Gives them an out to back off once their error is pointed out, and lets them maintain their honor by simply saying "well it used to be that way..." more or less

[Garbudo]

8 Wis starting on a pally good.....and to that newb who says you need more spell points Lorriks Neck end game sure does work with that 6 wis to take it up to 14 so you can cast all your spells Plus the spell points added with it. EX you totally wasted a few character points if you had over a 8 wisdom I would recommend a Re-Roll!

P.S. what the heck is cure serious wounds going to do on a level 20 pally? Top off a rogue once.. Twice if your a Epic Wisdom Build with poor charisma because you smell bad and are ugly.


That is all

[Phidius]

I hear this all the time...from bumbling morons aswering every question in general chat. 90% of the time the answers are wrong , 10% of the time they are blatant lies.

and the other 15% blow everything out of proportion.

[Zachski]

I'd imagine the conversation went something like this.

Conversation between two level 4 characters:

Pseudo expert: "Dude, you need a higher wisdom score."

OP: "Not really."

Pseudo expert: "Trust me. I know what I'm talking about. I have a paladin who's level 9."

Level 20, actually.

Yeah.

I head-desked hard.

[Rasczak]

I was asking about the best way to get an Owl's Wisdom clickie in chat so that I could potentially cast Divine Favor, since I had just hit level 4.

What server...I can give you one


As for these twits....well not much you can do to stop them...there are so many & I have loot I need to find

[QuantumFX]

OP: If you’re playing on Sarlona it must be my buddy from the harbor. He says that the “Only” way to roll up an effective assassin was a dex based halfling.