Bard Song of Capering = Way OP

[Lorien_the_First_One]

How PopeJual? How is it possible? Magical supreme special item? Epic clicky? Potion? Speel? Weepon? Magical armors? Chromatic Ioun stonez????!!?!?!

TEELZ meh!

Shield of nature tokens protect against all forms of mind control, including bard song and irresistable dance, for 3 hours. You get them from the chest the rare drops in the Druid Circle out at the edge of 3Barrel cove.

[KillEveryone]

Shield of nature tokens protect against all forms of mind control, including bard song and irresistable dance, for 3 hours. You get them from the chest the rare drops in the Druid Circle out at the edge of 3Barrel cove.

Now there goes my secret to being the PvP King.

You're also not supposed to talk about the druid circle. Too much of an easy button.

[Quarterling]

You're also not supposed to talk about the druid circle. Too much of an easy button.

You want an easy button? Hold down the power button on your computer. It kills all enemies and all players who oppose you in the Brawling Arena instantly!

[Rasczak]

I thought people do PvP because they not good enough to solo......

[PopeJual]

H4X needs more cowbell.

PopeJual has sufficient cowbell.

Question, answered.

This is the accurate answer. The persistant effects shield clicky is another valid answer, but I can't put up with the amount of grind needed to get the Druid Circle to manifest.

Because I have sufficient cowbell, I do not need to enter the PvP arena and am therefore not subject to the effects of the Song of Capering.

[Creeper]

Shield of nature tokens protect against all forms of mind control, including bard song and irresistable dance, for 3 hours. You get them from the chest the rare drops in the Druid Circle out at the edge of 3Barrel cove.

Is that the circle where you have to swim for like 20 minutes to get to and it looks like you hit a wall?

[toughguyjoe]

Is that the circle where you have to swim for like 20 minutes to get to and it looks like you hit a wall?

They just don't know the secret. When the "fence" in Mired in kobolds could be jumped it was MUCH easier to find the druids circle, because instead of grinding hoobajoobs to make it manifest all you needed to do was run to the south-east-northwesterly direction and BAM druid circle goodness for you.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

They just don't know the secret. When the "fence" in Mired in kobolds could be jumped it was MUCH easier to find the druids circle, because instead of grinding hoobajoobs to make it manifest all you needed to do was run to the south-east-northwesterly direction and BAM druid circle goodness for you.

That was a sweet bug, mean Keeper for fixing it!

[Stormslinger]

No both would be bashed


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2 different thoughts. I wanted 2 different responses.

If I put them in the same thread and someone bashed one idea then the other idea might get ignored.

[Creeper]

When the "fence" in Mired in kobolds could be jumped it was MUCH easier to find the druids circle,

I always thought the fence was much too high to jump.

[96th_Malice]

*points*

*laughs*

LMAO !!!!

Agreed 100%

[96th_Malice]

I thought people do PvP because they not good enough to solo......

Actually incorrect

PvP is a place for the elitists to come in to see if their uber toons that just killed harry can also kill a lvl 20 Arcane Archer

95% of the time the elitist fails !

[Kekeon]

Well, casters can hit really hard with their spells, even if you have resists. We should nerf them too.

Warforged shouldn't be able to heal themselves in PvP because that is just unfair to the melees that can't UMD a heal scroll to be able to heal themselves after getting hit with one of the caster spells. Maybe we should add a 40 sided die to the heal scrolls so they have a chance at UMDing a scroll.

How about that Irresistable dance. No saves agains that. A arcane uses magic missle and uses up any any charges that your anti magic item has then hits you with that dance. You can't do anything about it.

A couple of new feats so that my songs are not useful. I'm not for that. I don't get Mass Hold Monster as a bard. This is the only mass CC that I can use without having to drag critters into my set up CC because disco ball can't be used while running and if these feats get implemented, it is possible that the dev's will think it would make a good addition to mobs.

Take away the die roll. No thanks. Again I don't want my PvE affected by PvP. Songs are what the bard has going for them and I don't want that nerfed just because PvPers are upset.

Yes . Casters hit really hard. However, with high HP or high saves (to take half damage) and resist/protection you have a chance to defeat them.

There isn't anything a Caster can do to make you helpless if you are ready that. However, you can't do anything against a Bard singing the Song of Capering but to roll a 20.

What kind of Warforgeds are you talking about? Any race can meele and heal itself too: meele Clerics and Favored Souls.

You can block Irresistable Dance with Spell Resistance.

It is not just about PvP, even though we are on the PvP section. xD
There is nothing wrong with the songs and the effects. But the 53 + d20 DC (will) is just unreasonable TODAY. In fact, 53 DC may be the highest DC for an effect.

Therefore, I think there should be something to absorb/avoid that spell (without the need of nerfing): a enhancement, absorption item, temporay immunity item, or the Silence Spell perhaps.



In spite of everything, I think the Song of Capering is ok the way it is now. Maybe in the future, players will be able to get 60+ or 70+ on Will Saves.

[Hendrik]

They need to make a new quest, with a map like the wayward lobster, where the objective is to kill "Dispel, the PvP expert" in as many humiliating and degrading ways as possible.

This is a daily occurrence on Sarlona as you can see by his posting.

Maybe I should take my 99DC Bard in there....

What gets me is:

It's instant.

It's ranged.

It's unsavable. (basically)

These do nothing:
Mantle of the Worldshaper
Pale Lavender Ioun Stone

Of course they will do nothing! They are not meant to!

MOB's have high enough (at times) saves to make the saves.

You want, again, to nerf PvE to make PvP better for you to "I win!" at. You should really re-think your self proclaimed "PvP Expert" because all your posting is doing is proving that you are no where near an 'expert' at PvP or DDO.

[Dragavon]

Please stop hinting and just get rid of PvP if you're going to do this, Turbine.

Well said!

[BLU3_FR0G]

I mean no disrespect to anyone, the OP included. But the only reason I come into the pvp forums/ read anything by h4x, is if i need a good laugh.

Whenever I feel blue, I come here and I bust a gut so hard I have to visit the hospital.

Thank you, just... Thank you.

[v8gremlin]

I'm on Argo so I cant demonstrate another tactic that would own you, thereby needing a nerf. Shintao III Kukan-do, very easy to get to around 50DC (Will Save)

Whats that, a monk over the other side of the room.....he'll never get close enough too me.....*** I'm stunned.....abundant step tick tick dead....DEVS I NEED ANOTHER NERF!!!

[Kekeon]

This is a daily occurrence on Sarlona as you can see by his posting.

Maybe I should take my 99DC Bard in there....



Of course they will do nothing! They are not meant to!

MOB's have high enough (at times) saves to make the saves.

You want, again, to nerf PvE to make PvP better for you to "I win!" at. You should really re-think your self proclaimed "PvP Expert" because all your posting is doing is proving that you are no where near an 'expert' at PvP or DDO.

Own interests don't matter (nor if the User posted 1000 threads about "nerfing") as long as there is a common reasonable matter among players.

The fact is that the only chance to save against Capering song is to roll a 20.
Players' way to block this song or save (50+ Will Save) may be possible in the future. Therefore, be patient. xD

What gets me is:

It's instant.

It's ranged.

It's unsavable. (basically)

These do nothing:
Mantle of the Worldshaper
Pale Lavender Ioun Stone

That post really impoverishes your argument and arouses opposition against the purpose of the topic.

There is no problem with the instant and ranged characteristics of Capering Song. What gets you or not is not is not always community's problem.

I wonder if people posting about "nerfing" are actually asking for a solution to something (that seems to be unfair or unbalanced in an online community of players) OR to ridicule the community's protest by being the Thread author and lead the Thread to the ruin.

However, we will not be victims of trickery as long as we focus on the reasonable facts. If there is none, then it is foolishness or trickery.

I'm on Argo so I cant demonstrate another tactic that would own you, thereby needing a nerf. Shintao III Kukan-do, very easy to get to around 50DC (Will Save)

Whats that, a monk over the other side of the room.....he'll never get close enough too me.....*** I'm stunned.....abundant step tick tick dead....DEVS I NEED ANOTHER NERF!!!

*Claps* That's funny. (sarcasm) :S

I'm on Argo too.

Shintao Monk: Kukan-Do (DC = 10 + Charisma Modifier + your monk level)

People can quite save against it with 40 Will on a roll higher than 10 (40 + d20), and then own you.