Bard Song of Capering = Way OP

[h4x0r1f1c]

Both of them do nothing if the caster casting Greater Command is GOOD or NEUTRAL.

Tell that to Turbine because Protection from Evil always protects from Greater Command in PvP.

[voodoogroves]

Think link I posted explains that alignment difference had you bothered to read it.

So I try really hard to be serious and courteous, but I'm not sure you really want honest advice. I try hard not to jump on the nahbandwagon, but there may be no point. Good luck.

[h4x0r1f1c]

What gets me is:

It's instant.

It's ranged.

It's unsavable. (basically)

These do nothing:
Mantle of the Worldshaper
Pale Lavender Ioun Stone

[Trillea]

What gets me is:

It owns me and is therefore horrible. So it's time for a new thread on the forums.

Fixed to show what you really mean.

[RangerMaya]

Because it was so well said, I'll quote it again in case you didn't read it the first time:

OK. Lost my rag now.

Yes mantle doesn't stop it. ITS NOT MAGIC. that's why beholders can't get rid of it with their antimagic glare.

Yes its massively hard to resist - ITS A VIRTUOSO BARD SONG. It's what they do. Its their class feature. Sorcs class feature is phenomenal cosmic power with an ittybitty range of flexibility.

I think - if I was being charitable - I might suggest that the periodic save freqency was reduced for PvP, as with some other effect durations. But not the saving throws, or anything else about it. Its supposed to be powerful. Because if they're using song of capering, they're a virtuoso. So the chances are their actual damage output is not going to be on a par with yours. even remotely. Even with manyshot if they happen to be a ranger/bard or an elf bard. or an elf ranger/bard.

And I'll tell you something else. Virtuoso's get little enough love, from devs or from players. So if it turns out they're great for PvP, that at least is something. You've got a WF sorceror. You're a self healing glass cannon. A glass cannon. You put out massive damage, in return for you that you aren't supposed to be particularly resilient. Someone stops you putting out your damage, you're useless. that's how it is. Its called tactics. That's what PvP is supposed to be about - outwitting your human opponent. So outwit them. You have CC spells available to you - you just have to spec for it. Bards don't have a massively high will save. Get them before they get you.

Or here's a thought: go play a pvp game. This isn't that game!

Honestly, I don't want to stop you PvPing if that's your thing. But there's SO many better things for the devs to be spending their time on which improves the real focus of the game - pve - that anything they do to PvP that isn't snap-your-fingers-quick simply isn't worth it to most people around here. I'm sorry, but its true. You really do need to learn to deal with it. You're the only person making any kind of regular threads in the PvP forum - what does that tell you?

[Llewndyn]

That when I see one of h4x0rific's posts I eschew all other reading material and drink in the good old fashioned whine? Mmmm this is an excellent vintage, Riverdance yk 978.... nice

[bendover]

For those that do not play on Sarlona and have either made or planning on making an AA on sarlona feel free to send myself or any other member a tell for a guild invite to increase the OP's hated for you as well as some decent boat buffs.

[Llewndyn]

I must now make a bard on sarlona. Welcome me with open arms, my piking career goes servernational. H4x, I shall see you in the pvp pit. And now to the tune of "We can dance if we want to":

You will dance when the bard makes you,
and you're too gimped to make the save,
and the bard will laugh and the pit will laugh
as your hp drains away

You will dance when the bard makes you,
you'll riverdance into the night
then you'll hit the forums for cheese with your whine
because again you lost the fight

You will dance when the bard makes you,
And entertainment you will be,
and your poorly written posts and lame victory boasts
make you the folly of PVP!


- if you have voice I will sing that to you while I dominate you in the pit. PM me with an Xfire name if you like

[h4x0r1f1c]

For those that do not play on Sarlona and have either made or planning on making an AA on sarlona feel free to send myself or any other member a tell for a guild invite to increase the OP's hated for you as well as some decent boat buffs.

You would look for an army of Arcane Archers to do your bidding.

and you're too gimped to make the save

Say I had a 50 Will save... (nobody does)

Against a 70 Perform... I would have to roll a 20 to save.

So we're all gimps, according to you. I bet my Will save is higher than your's.

[Llewndyn]

Care to PVP me? I got a bard or a ranger with manyshot, take your pick

[bendover]

Dont need too. I kill you just fine myself.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

Both of them do nothing if the caster casting Greater Command is GOOD or NEUTRAL.

By the book it is related to the spell, not the caster's alignment. Forcing someone to do something against their will is considered evil in D&D terms

[h4x0r1f1c]

May not need too. Maybe someday I'll kill you just fine myself.

Fixed.

[bendover]

Lol

[heyytoi]

I was in PvP and I got danced by a bard with a 70 Perform from across the pit.

Across the pit. 70 Perform. 30 Will + a 19 roll = 49.

70-49=21 ... 21+19=40 ... I can't roll a 40 to save.

This also bypassed my Mantle and my Ioun Stone.

Especially the case if they're able to whip out a Manyshot + Slayer Arrows.

Please stop hinting and just get rid of PvP if you're going to do this, Turbine.

You get out of pvp and You stop crying about it

[asphodeli]

Tell that to Turbine because Protection from Evil always protects from Greater Command in PvP.

And this concerns Turbine how? Oh wait, its PvP.

By the book it is related to the spell, not the caster's alignment. Forcing someone to do something against their will is considered evil in D&D terms

Ah, good thinking, I always thought the alignment of spells were always the caster's alignment and not because of the action. However I think this argument is flawed since people will be forced to do things against their will, whether good or bad, e.g. soldiers in an army, a parent disciplining his/her child, etc. I think what matters is what the action ultimately does. For example, if I dance someone because he is about to fall off a cliff, is that a good action, or an evil one?

But back to your idea...this perspective could prove useful in PnP one day...

[PopeJual]

Please stop hinting and just get rid of PvP if you're going to do this, Turbine.

/signed

[yams]

Oh man, that's priceless. +1. May the PvP arenas fill with singing elven Bard AAs.

[Missing_Minds]

but face it... they will both be bashed

and ignored.

I think someone is needing his chocolate milk again.

[cpito]

That when I see one of h4x0rific's posts I eschew all other reading material and drink in the good old fashioned whine? Mmmm this is an excellent vintage, Riverdance yk 978.... nice

it's an addiction! a toast to h4x and this most excellent production!