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    Default TWF Elven scimitar kensei

    Ok, i need help with this build if it is even possible to be a good one
    I only play elves in all games lol, my idea with this one is pure DPS well for starters i only have this:

    Elven Female Fighter

    starting stats:
    Str 17
    Dex 16
    Con 13
    Int 8
    wis 8
    Cha 8

    Feats so far: TWF and Weapon focus: slashing

    from now on, where and how should i proceed? any idea for multiclassing or should i stay pure?

    thank you very much.

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    As far as I can see build is invalid the game wont even let you build it because you are one build point short.

    IMO for stat drop 1 Con and put Str to 18.

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    Here's my take on a 28-pt elf pure TWF Kensai. I took the elf DMs partly for flavor (who doesn't like cool glowing facial tattoos? ), partly because Displacement (Lesser DM) boosts your survivability when there's no arcane around to keep you buffed. Max ranks into Intimidate.

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    Level 20 Lawful Good Elf Female
    (20 Fighter) 
    Hit Points: 342
    Spell Points: 0 
    BAB: 20\20\25\30\30
    Fortitude: 14
    Reflex: 10
    Will: 6
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
    Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
    (28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
    Strength             16                    24
    Dexterity            17                    18
    Constitution         14                    14
    Intelligence          8                     8
    Wisdom                8                     8
    Charisma              8                     8
    
    Level 1 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Selected) Toughness
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting
    
    
    Level 2 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
    
    
    Level 3 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Selected) Least Dragonmark of Shadow
    
    
    Level 4 (Fighter)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
    
    
    Level 5 (Fighter)
    
    
    Level 6 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
    Feat: (Selected) Lesser Dragonmark of Shadow
    
    
    Level 7 (Fighter)
    
    
    Level 8 (Fighter)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
    
    
    Level 9 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Selected) Greater Dragonmark of Shadow
    
    
    Level 10 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack
    
    
    Level 11 (Fighter)
    
    
    Level 12 (Fighter)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
    Feat: (Selected) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
    
    
    Level 13 (Fighter)
    
    
    Level 14 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
    
    
    Level 15 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Selected) Bullheaded
    
    
    Level 16 (Fighter)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Superior Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
    
    
    Level 17 (Fighter)
    
    
    Level 18 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Quick Draw
    Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Intimidate
    
    
    Level 19 (Fighter)
    
    
    Level 20 (Fighter)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting
    Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
    Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
    Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost III
    Enhancement: Fighter Extra Action Boost I
    Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
    Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
    Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost III
    Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost IV
    Enhancement: Fighter Weapon Alacrity
    Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
    Enhancement: Valenar Elf Melee Attack I
    Enhancement: Valenar Elf Melee Attack II
    Enhancement: Valenar Elf Melee Damage I
    Enhancement: Valenar Elf Melee Damage II
    Enhancement: Extra Dragonmark Use I
    Enhancement: Kensei Scimitar Mastery I
    Enhancement: Kensei Scimitar Mastery II
    Enhancement: Kensei Scimitar Mastery III
    Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
    Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
    Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy III
    Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
    Enhancement: Fighter Kensei II
    Enhancement: Fighter Kensei III
    Enhancement: Fighter Scimitar Specialization I
    Enhancement: Fighter Scimitar Specialization II
    Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
    Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
    Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
    Enhancement: Fighter Strength II
    Enhancement: Fighter Strength III
    Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
    Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II
    Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III
    Enhancement: Fighter Toughness IV

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    Pure DPS build then max your DPS stat. 18/16/12/8/8/8

    Definitely grab the dragonmarks if you have no other plans for those extra feats.
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    Thank you very very much for the answers, its rolled
    lvl 3 so far
    str 20 (18 + ftr str + angers gift)
    dex 17 (16 + elven dexterity I )
    con 12
    int 8
    wis 8
    cha 8

    Feats: TWF, oversized TWF, Least dragon mark of shadow (when do i get displacement???) and weap focus slashing.

    its already fun playing her


    thank you for your help!

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    IMHO starting stats on a 28 point should be:
    STR 17, DEX 15, CON 14, all the rest 8
    You will need a +2 DEX tome to get improved/greater TWF.

    But dps-wise it's better to go human with dual khopesh

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    the problem with your build actually isn't with your build.

    1) DDO misimplimented Kopesh making far better than it should be
    2) WF and half orf get extra PA enhamcents

    If you put these 2 things together you will be far behind those in DPS even though you should not be

    Please don't start a fighter with only 13 con.
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    *pokes the patch with a stick* get out there you,
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    We were pretty up front that the twf update was going to be a nerf regardless of lag or not.
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    Um, I'm almost afraid to ask, but exactly just what is 'sneak humping'?

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    realize that u still need a +1 dex tome to grab the 2wpn fighting feats.

    just a suggestion:
    also if this is ur first build, i would take extra tougnesses over feats like bullheaded. This is simply becus u also need to have resistance gear equipped (+n to saves) to make it worth the feat.

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    well i knew i would be behind some khopeshs and prolly some horc builds, but im in it for the role playing, stacking pots and getting displacement from DM AND responsible serious playing will increase my survivability. i will get a tome as soon as possible and i have a +4 con item waiting on my other toon for me, not to mention cool scimitars too like +3 holy scimitar of enfeebling for exemple

    And also, since i started with a 18 str, i can take the level bonus 8 and 4 on cons instead of str like in the 16 str 14 con you suggested, it will be the same thing in the end.

    thank you all for your help.

    this char name is Naviel, she is in khyber.
    Last edited by Alikhan; 10-19-2010 at 06:47 AM.

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    one last question, the elven scimitar/falchion enhancements line DOES stack with kensei bonuses right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alikhan View Post
    And also, since i started with a 18 str, i can take the level bonus 8 and 4 on cons instead of str like in the 16 str 14 con you suggested, it will be the same thing in the end.

    thank you all for your help.

    this char name is Naviel, she is in khyber.
    16 vs 18 str on an elf is 6 points

    12 vs 14 con on elf is 4 points

    so by doing that you loose 2 build points...simple rule never split your level up points between 2 different stats.

    If it doesn't interfere with your RP a 28 point build would be much more workable for a thf than for twf.
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    We were pretty up front that the twf update was going to be a nerf regardless of lag or not.
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    Um, I'm almost afraid to ask, but exactly just what is 'sneak humping'?

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    yes fluffy thank you that is true, i didnty think about that...
    but a 12 con starting fighter is that horrible, black listing material, even if played right? and when will i get the DM for displacement??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alikhan View Post
    one last question, the elven scimitar/falchion enhancements line DOES stack with kensei bonuses right?
    yes

    Quote Originally Posted by Alikhan View Post
    yes fluffy thank you that is true, i didnty think about that...
    but a 12 con starting fighter is that horrible, black listing material, even if played right? and when will i get the DM for displacement??
    "played right" even a 6 con wizard can become state of the art. Havent seen som1 that could make such a build work sofar but it sure is possible

    Its about ur playstyle and wat fits u. remember that 2 con is only 20 hp, 1 extra toughness feat already brings u more.
    dont drop under 12 con for sure. fluffy however has a valid point 2hf suits better. better synergie with fighter, more points over for con. but its just ur preference. how much do u want to work behind ur computer? if u wanna be able to walk trough traps without resist, charge bosses without thoughts and stuff raise con. this game the more braindead u play the more con u need. the less con u take the more attention u need to pay. thats the nice thing about this sorta games, u can make ur own difficulty setting. 12 con is doable on a class that gets 10 hp from lvl base. u just gotta pay more attention then the 20 base con wf with stacking toughnesses

    displacement is lesser dragonmark, u need the least dragonmark to get this feat. (so 2nd feat)

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    Alikhan: are you Free-to-Play, Premium (ever bought points from Turbine at all) or VIP (month subscription)?

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    Painindaguild:
    Im not a veteran but this isnt my first toon this is like the 8th lol, tho i never got to cap any toon, i have been playing this game a lot for 6 months now, got a sorc lvl 14 in orien, a ranger level 9 in kyber and a fighter level 12 in cannith , in that order: Chandni, Airedhiella and Navshael.

    I have created and deleted a few chars basically for ba multi classing or low con but now I know better, and I am the kind to play carefully, I wanted TWF with this one because Navshael is already THF she is also elf, pure fighter level 12 falchion kensei II so far and VERY fun to play. Well, back to Naviel the TWF, since she has cons 12 it wont be so horrible I never walk into traps nor charge leeroy jenkins style at anthing anyway hehe.



    Flyingturtle: I am F2P yet, been playing so much last months that iI was able to buy two packs, Necro 1 and Demon sands, and im saving TP for GH or Vale now. Not to mention i will become premium pretty soon, I wish i had started playing this game earlier, Im addicted lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alikhan View Post
    Flyingturtle: I am F2P yet, been playing so much last months that iI was able to buy two packs, Necro 1 and Demon sands, and im saving TP for GH or Vale now. Not to mention i will become premium pretty soon, I wish i had started playing this game earlier, Im addicted lol.
    Great, you'll be fine for getting the cash to buy a +1 Dex tome by level 8 then.

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    My recommendation for your stats is 12 Con will be good enough especially if you take the elven dragon mark of displacement and two or more toughness feats.

    You should put all of your level ups into STR unless you do not have a +1 DEX tome. Getting a 17 base (with only base + tome usage) is vital in order to move any further on the two-weapon fighting path. If you can not get a +1 DEX tome, from DDO store, or trade, or auction then put your next available level up stat in DEX and all the rest into STR. The important thing is you need to have 17 base DEX, enhancement points and items do not count as having enough DEX for the prerequisites.

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