Think twice before multiclassing your first toon, please

[Jiirix]

I am rather new to DDO myself and run a lot with other new players. And one thing I witness quite often is how new players are told to start a new toon because they took an odd class combination. I keep my own char single classed out of D&D habit, but other new players seem to be magically attracted by the opportunity to multiclass. And then those new players are disappointed, when they are told, that their toon won’t work on higher levels. If new to D&D and DDO I would highly recommend only to multiclass when following a curtain build. Otherwise there might be frustration and: “Oh my god, I don’t want to go back to Krothos again!”
Some things you better should or should not do on your FIRST toon I am quite sure about:

- Don’t take a few caster levels for the buff spells on your melee toon. You can get nearly all of them from clicky items, your group mates, scrolls and wands (with UMD)
- Don’t mix two classes just because they use the same main stat like sorcerer and bard. Stat synergy is important on multiclasses, but not all mixes with some stat synergy will work
- Don’t multiclass because you have seen a high level toon with this class combination.
The toon may have been build for a single purpose and such a “one trick pony” is often hard to play on lower levels
- If you multiclass take the class with more skill points first. At the first level you benefit the most from it.
- Have a look at the prestige enhancements, for example: you can’t get the radiant servant pre without min. 6 level of cleric.
- Have a look at the capstones. You can’t get a capstone with one or more levels of an other class
- Ask some vets/ your guild for advice
- Better: Read the forum; start here: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=203587
(Can the Beginners Guide to Multiclassing please be pinned up at the multiclassed section too?)

I feel kind of sad when somebody is told he/she better gota start new all over again. Hope this thread helps a bit.

[Krag]

This advice never gets old.

[elujin]

yes good advice

some from me
-don't take the class paths nieghter
-and for a first toon its no shame to just follow a build from the forums

[JollySwagMan]

I would imagine that someone who comes to the forums before building their first character is already a step ahead of the intended audience of this thread

[AyumiAmakusa]

This thread won't be helpful.

Why? The ones that multiclass on a whim aren't ones who do research on the forums. Hence, the intended audience (said by the poster above) will not read this.

But +1 for good info.

[Jiirix]

This thread won't be helpful.

Why? The ones that multiclass on a whim aren't ones who do research on the forums. Hence, the intended audience (said by the poster above) will not read this.

But +1 for good info.

Yeah, you are right probably. But perhaps somebody will read the thread and spread the information among his fellow players or his new founded guild. To stick the Beginners Guide to the multiclass section would help a little bit imho.

[Tom318]

I am rather new to DDO myself and run a lot with other new players. And one thing I witness quite often is how new players are told to start a new toon because they took an odd class combination. I keep my own char single classed out of D&D habit, but other new players seem to be magically attracted by the opportunity to multiclass. And then those new players are disappointed, when they are told, that their toon won’t work on higher levels. If new to D&D and DDO I would highly recommend only to multiclass when following a curtain build. Otherwise there might be frustration and: “Oh my god, I don’t want to go back to Krothos again!”
Some things you better should or should not do on your FIRST toon I am quite sure about:

- Don’t take a few caster levels for the buff spells on your melee toon. You can get nearly all of them from clicky items, your group mates, scrolls and wands (with UMD)
- Don’t mix two classes just because they use the same main stat like sorcerer and bard. Stat synergy is important on multiclasses, but not all mixes with some stat synergy will work
- Don’t multiclass because you have seen a high level toon with this class combination.
The toon may have been build for a single purpose and such a “one trick pony” is often hard to play on lower levels
- If you multiclass take the class with more skill points first. At the first level you benefit the most from it.
- Have a look at the prestige enhancements, for example: you can’t get the radiant servant pre without min. 6 level of cleric.
- Have a look at the capstones. You can’t get a capstone with one or more levels of an other class
- Ask some vets/ your guild for advice
- Better: Read the forum; start here: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=203587
(Can the Beginners Guide to Multiclassing please be pinned up at the multiclassed section too?)

I feel kind of sad when somebody is told he/she better gota start new all over again. Hope this thread helps a bit.

Yes they will learn that the only way to have fun in this game is to follow orders and do what they are told But seriously, if you're soloing, do what you want. It's not like there will ever be a "professional DDO player" like there are professional tennis players or football players

[AyumiAmakusa]

Yes they will learn that the only way to have fun in this game is to follow orders and do what they are told But seriously, if you're soloing, do what you want. It's not like there will ever be a "professional DDO player" like there are professional tennis players or football players

We're not ordering them to do anything. We're giving friendly advice. If they wanna gimp themselves and die 50 times in a quest then fine, but hey, we tried to warn them.

[Tom318]

We're not ordering them to do anything. We're giving friendly advice. If they wanna gimp themselves and die 50 times in a quest then fine, but hey, we tried to warn them.

So basically, what you are saying is, "if you don't take my advice you will be a gimp player who will die 50 times in a quest" ?

[Notajedi]

But if someone does not ask me about their build, I never tell them that it is a bad build. I am also not exactly an expert on builds. I tell them to come to the forums for advice.

Since it is a game, I can choose what I want. The game is for my enjoyment. I have played with quite a few silly pure level 20s that tend to die quite a bit. How do you tell them they have a bad build? You can't, it is the player behind the character.

Mutli Classes that I like
Wizard/Rogue INT on the rogue and INT on the wizard are a goood mix

Bard/Rogue makes the bard more than just a hagglebot at high levels plus gets you into groups easier at low levels because you have two rogue.

Fighter/Ranger I just do this because playing a true fighter is boring. But add in that multi-shot and it can be fun. I don't put too many points into WIS for this build. I think my WIS is 10 when I start. Since you won't be able to cast the better spells I usually stop at 6th.

Cleric/Monk I am experimenting on this one now. You must wear light armor to take advantage of the reflex dodge ability.

The WESTSIDE build by OBMI. Ranger/Rogue/Monk. I am not anywhere near what that build is or near that player skill, but the character is fun. If a nice cleric in the group keeps me healed when I get a little too involved, I can lead the group in kills. In Tempest Spine the Clay Golems are no match for me and I don't need a cleric along for those either. The cleric can stay with the group.

[Jiirix]

So basically, what you are saying is, "if you don't take my advice you will be a gimp player who will die 50 times in a quest" ?

Cool down please. It's just an advice for the first toon. And I wrote it because the start in ddo is less forgiving then.. let's say dungeon siege. For my part: I run with nearly everybody. I don’t mind if someone plays his toon like he wants to. But I hear "if I had known that in the first place" a lot. And I am definitely not saying: You have to follow one of this x builds or you are a gimp” Cause that’s stupid and I am a gimp then, too. I am just saying: “Think twice before multiclassing your first toon”, that’s all. It’s supposed to help, not to bully. And can we please don’t get a “those vets think they know it all” discussion here. I am a newbie too and the advice I got was very helpful to me so far. Nothing wrong with it from my point of view.

[khaldan]

So basically, what you are saying is, "if you don't take my advice you will be a gimp player who will die 50 times in a quest" ?

No one's saying "you must build this or you will suck and die 50 times', no matter how much you try to imply that. All that's being said is put some thought into your build if you multiclass, instead of doing it as you level up.

[Rasczak]

Cool down please. It's just an advice for the first toon. And I wrote it because the start in ddo is less forgiving then.. let's say dungeon siege. For my part: I run with nearly everybody. I don’t mind if someone plays his toon like he wants to. But I hear "if I had known that in the first place" a lot. And I am definitely not saying: You have to follow one of this x builds or you are a gimp” Cause that’s stupid and I am a gimp then, too. I am just saying: “Think twice before multiclassing your first toon”, that’s all. It’s supposed to help, not to bully. And can we please don’t get a “those vets think they know it all” discussion here. I am a newbie too and the advice I got was very helpful to me so far. Nothing wrong with it from my point of view.

It's good advice to suggest learning the game first before trying to take advantage of mechanics.

What you need to learn as well is some people just enjoy being the adverse of everything you say.

[Calebro]

- Better: Read the forum; start here: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=203587

I find it humorous that you post on the forums recommending that they first read the forums.

[Tom318]

Cool down please. It's just an advice for the first toon. And I wrote it because the start in ddo is less forgiving then.. let's say dungeon siege. For my part: I run with nearly everybody. I don’t mind if someone plays his toon like he wants to. But I hear "if I had known that in the first place" a lot. And I am definitely not saying: You have to follow one of this x builds or you are a gimp” Cause that’s stupid and I am a gimp then, too. I am just saying: “Think twice before multiclassing your first toon”, that’s all. It’s supposed to help, not to bully. And can we please don’t get a “those vets think they know it all” discussion here. I am a newbie too and the advice I got was very helpful to me so far. Nothing wrong with it from my point of view.

Well good for you then. I like to do things that make other people say "you can't do this, it won't work." And then I proceed to show them how it does

Where's the fun in doing something so many people have done before? :P

But now I'm curious, why do you take advice from someone on how to play a game? is beating a crippled AI so important to you? why are you afraid of playing a game the "wrong" way?

[Tom318]

It's good advice to suggest learning the game first before trying to take advantage of mechanics.

This is true in real life (for instance, if you don't read the instructions for operating a power saw you might cut your hand off, and you only have two hands ) but this is a game, what's the worst thing that can happen if you don't learn the game first? you might.. um.. waste your time? not even that if you had fun

[khaldan]

This is true in real life (for instance, if you don't read the instructions for operating a power saw you might cut your hand off, and you only have two hands ) but this is a game, what's the worse thing that can happen if you don't learn the game first? you might.. um.. waste your time? not even that if you had fun

Otherwise there might be frustration and: “Oh my god, I don’t want to go back to Krothos again!”

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[DrenglisEU]

Nice & signed!

[Jiirix]

Well good for you then. I like to do things that make other people say "you can't do this, it won't work." And then I proceed to show them how it does

Where's the fun in doing something so many people have done before? :P

But now I'm curious, why do you take advice from someone on how to play a game? is beating a crippled AI so important to you? why are you afraid of playing a game the "wrong" way?

OK, you high jacked this thread just to preach a little bit about how to break free from the boundaries of good advice. Really, I admire your spirit of freedom in games. Thanks god you told us how to have fun, we would have followed the same old meaningless rites for aeons without you. Giving advice…I was so wrong.. I was blinded.. but now I can see the light:
A wizard sorcerer multiclass. (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=280417 , please acknowledge the great advice on that one Thank you Tom, you should be entitled “Forum Philosopher”.

EDIT: Sorry, I just couldn't resist. It's all the "on call duty's" fault. Actually I am getting paid for sitting here and waiting for something to happen.

[Torebro]

This is true in real life (for instance, if you don't read the instructions for operating a power saw you might cut your hand off, and you only have two hands ) but this is a game, what's the worst thing that can happen if you don't learn the game first? you might.. um.. waste your time? not even that if you had fun

Considering how serious some ppl take playing games, especially MMOs it might come close for them.

And then they will complain why didn't you tell me or quit the game, because they wasted a lot of time getting a toon to, say, lvl 10 and then discover that is becomes more and more useless in higher content.
Or they will complain/rant why no one did warn them (and then leave).

No one here says only the following builds are good, the rest is ****. They only give a general advice to think twice before screwing their toon up .
Single class characters can be repaired without lesser hearts, unless the skills are ruined. Multiclass characters are a lot easier to ruin.

BTW I like multiclassing.

Regards
Torebro