I love playing Arcane Archer toons, but playing as a pure ranger have never been satisfied with the performance because they are not enough strong and powerful in close combat. I think arcane archer is a great prstige class so I wanted to keep most of the benefits of prestige class, adding some features that increase performance if forced to close combat. I thought I would combine the prestige class of arcane archer with the warforged race (for the bonus stamina), all seemed to marry beautifully with some level of monk that, not using armor because of race, allowed me to get some bonus of armor and add self-sufficiency to that of the ranger. All this has allowed me to also receive a gift the ability to use the interesting kama. The build is not yet final, but is roughly this:
I'll really apprecciate any suggestions supported by experienceCode:Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.5.1 DDO Character Planner Home Page Mort Subite Level 20 Lawful Good Warforged Male (5 Monk \ 15 Ranger) Hit Points: 302 Spell Points: 373 BAB: 18\18\23\28\28 Fortitude: 19 Reflex: 17 Will: 11 Starting Feat/Enhancement Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats (32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) Strength 16 18 Dexterity 16 18 Constitution 14 16 Intelligence 8 8 Wisdom 13 14 Charisma 6 6 Starting Feat/Enhancement Base Skills Modified Skills Skills (Level 1) (Level 20) Balance 5 25 Bluff -2 -2 Concentration 2 3 Diplomacy -2 -2 Disable Device n/a n/a Haggle -2 0 Heal 1 2 Hide 3 4 Intimidate -2 -2 Jump 7 25 Listen 5 25 Move Silently 3 4 Open Lock n/a n/a Perform n/a n/a Repair -1 -1 Search -1 -1 Spot 1 2 Swim 3 4 Tumble n/a n/a Use Magic Device 0 9 Level 1 (Ranger) Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot Feat: (Automatic) Attack Feat: (Automatic) Bow Strength Feat: (Automatic) Composite Plating Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency Feat: (Automatic) Light Fortification Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL) Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General) Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency Feat: (Automatic) Sneak Feat: (Automatic) Sunder Feat: (Automatic) Trip Feat: (Automatic) Warforged Resistances Feat: (Automatic) Wild Empathy Level 2 (Monk) Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Breezes Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Candles Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Pebbles Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Puddles Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Kama Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Shuriken Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves Feat: (Automatic) Flurry of Blows Feat: (Automatic) Unarmed Strike Level 3 (Ranger) Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons Feat: (Automatic) Rapid Shot Feat: (Automatic) Two Weapon Fighting Level 4 (Ranger) Feat: (Automatic) Diehard Level 5 (Ranger) Level 6 (Ranger) Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Goblinoid Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness Enhancement: Ranger Swamp Lore I Enhancement: Ranger Tundra Lore I Enhancement: Ranger Desert Lore I Enhancement: Ranger Energy of the Wild I Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I Enhancement: Warforged Constitution I Enhancement: Warforged Construct Thinking I Enhancement: Warforged Damage Reduction I Enhancement: Warforged Hardiness I Level 7 (Ranger) Feat: (Automatic) Improved Two Weapon Fighting Feat: (Automatic) Manyshot Enhancement: Ranger Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Arrows Enhancement: Ranger Swamp Lore II Enhancement: Ranger Tundra Lore II Enhancement: Ranger Desert Lore II Enhancement: Ranger Arcane Archer I Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity II Level 8 (Monk) Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness Feat: (Automatic) Evasion Feat: (Automatic) Meditation Enhancement: Way of the Clever Monkey I Enhancement: Monk Wisdom I Level 9 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Enemy) Favored Enemy: Dragon Enhancement: Ranger Arcane Archer: Imbue Acid Arrows Enhancement: Ranger Arcane Archer: Imbue Explosive Arrows Enhancement: Ranger Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Burst Arrows Enhancement: Ranger Arcane Archer: Imbue Terror Arrows Enhancement: Way of the Clever Monkey II Enhancement: Restoring the Balance Enhancement: Racial Toughness I Enhancement: Racial Toughness II Enhancement: Racial Toughness III Enhancement: Racial Toughness IV Enhancement: Ranger Arcane Archer: Conjure +2 Arrows Enhancement: Ranger Arcane Archer: Conjure +3 Arrows Enhancement: Ranger Arcane Archer: Conjure +4 Arrows Enhancement: Ranger Vermin Emphaty Enhancement: Ranger Energy of the Wild II Enhancement: Warforged Constitution II Enhancement: Warforged Construct Thinking II Enhancement: Warforged Construct Thinking III Enhancement: Warforged Damage Reduction II Enhancement: Warforged Damage Reduction III Enhancement: Warforged Hardiness II Enhancement: Warforged Hardiness III 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Thread: Arcane Archer robust build
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10-17-2010, 12:07 PM #1Community Member
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Arcane Archer robust build
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10-17-2010, 12:12 PM #2Community Member
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Pure ranger can be pretty good at melee, especially against favored enemies... Just don't gimp your str or con and get some good weapons... Rangers get all the TWF feats for free...
The major problem I have with your proposed build is that you can't max out Arcane Archer (i.e. SLAYING arrows!!!) with only 15 levels of ranger...
I would suggest an exploiter build... 18/1/1 ranger/monk/rogue... Make him warforged if you want for the immunities and extra hit points... Max out UMD after you take the rogue level..
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Originally Posted by Eth
Originally Posted by TedSandyman
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10-17-2010, 12:34 PM #3Community Member
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I agree with what you wrote, but:
1. the 5 levels of monk allow me to get at least +4 AC (the bonus could be improved by (x/2) wearing + x wis items), allow me to take monk bonus (toughness), monk path, this also does not compromises the ability on the TWF (involves only a delay).
2. Yes i can't take one great arcane arcer enhancement, but every choice involves a waiver
3. I get the chance to use the kama great off hand weapon for TWF
anyway I appreciate your comments and I'd love to comment on my arguments. Thanks for your interest!
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I'd just take 1 level of monk if I were you... that give most of the AC bonus, plus a bonus monk feat (toughness)... Originally Posted by Henuindohr
I agree with what you wrote, but:
1. the 5 levels of monk allow me to get at least +4 AC (the bonus could be improved by (x/2) wearing + x wis items), allow me to take monk bonus (toughness), monk path, this also does not compromises the ability on the TWF (involves only a delay).
2. Yes i can't take one great arcane arcer enhancement, but every choice involves a waiver
3. I get the chance to use the kama great off hand weapon for TWF
anyway I appreciate your comments and I'd love to comment on my arguments. Thanks for your interest!
I'd try to keep 18 levels of ranger if I wanted to play a character that was mostly Arcane Archer...
Another option is to play an elf or half-elf... then you could go 15/5 ranger/monk.... because the elf and half-elf race will get you access to slayer arrows at level 20..
Half-elf could work well here (no CON penalty like elf) Originally Posted by Teh_Troll
Originally Posted by Eth
Originally Posted by TedSandyman
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Make it an elf or half-elf, use the extra monk feats to free up feats to take displacement dragonmarks, take zen archery to make you centered with bows, Dark path Ninja spy I, max out stealth skills for the fun of it. If you're really tight on feats I could see 12 ranger/2 (Fighter or Rogue)/6 monk.
So to summarize that explosion of thought: Full Arcane Archer Line, Handwrap dps in close quarters, High Ac, Displacement marks, Ninja Spy I Shadow fade (25% more miss chance), Tier 2 Stances and animal paths (Fire stance for more damage or Water for saves or Earth for damage reduction and more hp, air for more to-hit, monkey or tortoise), Sneak attack within 30 feet, Full resists and barkskin, Stealth and good survivability for soloing, bonus movement speed via monk......
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I think i've just found a contender for pure ranger, 18/1/1 Fighter/Bard/Barbarian, and 12 fighter / 6 ranger / 2 Rogue/monk.
Thanks for the mental boost.Last edited by sirdanile; 10-17-2010 at 02:28 PM.
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By not taking ranger 18 on a non-elf/HE AA, you can't get Slaying arrows, arguably the best reason to be an AA. Also, why play a WF for the CON bonus then start CON 14?
You took a number of questionable or bad feats: Dodge isn't worth the +1 AC on anything but a serious tank IMHO (or for the Tempest or Ninja pre-req); Power Crit is basically useless; Improved Fortification means you can't be healed by ANY divine magic, inc. your own monk finishers IIRC, and can easily be replicated with a Moderate Fort item; Imp DR + DR enhs sound nice, but it's not too hard to find items which give as much or more DR; why did you take Prec Shot as your lvl 9 feat when you'll get it free at ranger 11. Meanwhile, I don't see Power Attack or any Improved Crit feats, which are pretty important to your DPS.
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Thank you all for tips
1. Build an arcane archer without getting slayer arrows is not a good thing (i'll review that choice)
2. choosing warforged is not due to constitution but to racial resistance and also due to have an high "natural armor", it means that i can acess monk bonusses without penalty.
3. High armor may not improve my performance because i'm not building a thank!? (i don't need the highest armor but i need a decent one; i agree when you say to do not spend 1 feat for +1 AC it's reasonable and i'll change it too).
4. I don't understand why power crit isn't a good feat. +4 to confirm critical hit increase the probability of lead to a critical hit!
5. I've to drop improved fortification... it'll penaliza me too much... i agree with you
6. Taking precise shot at lvl 9 is a great mistake... i'll change it for some feat to improve my dps.
Now i have two choose take 12 lvl of arcane or take elf race so that i can design the build without the limitation of 12 lvl ranger?
Ok i'll review something and iìll post a new build, In the meantime I'll appreciate any advice
thank you!!!Last edited by Henuindohr; 10-18-2010 at 02:22 PM.
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10-18-2010, 04:29 PM #8Community Member
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I've revisited the build correcting any defects identified by your comments. Now it seems much more solid!
weapon focus: slascing it's to let be the monk centered if wield a longsword... two weapon fight longsword+kama would be funnyCode:Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.5.1 DDO Character Planner Home Page Mort Subit Level 20 Lawful Good Warforged Male (2 Monk \ 18 Ranger) Hit Points: 240 Spell Points: 404 BAB: 19\19\24\29\29 Fortitude: 20 Reflex: 19 Will: 11 Starting Feat/Enhancement Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats (32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) Strength 16 20 Dexterity 16 20 Constitution 14 16 Intelligence 8 8 Wisdom 13 14 Charisma 6 6 Starting Feat/Enhancement Base Skills Modified Skills Skills (Level 1) (Level 20) Balance 5 27 Bluff -2 -2 Concentration 2 3 Diplomacy -2 -2 Disable Device n/a n/a Haggle -2 -1 Heal 1 2 Hide 3 5 Intimidate -2 -2 Jump 7 27 Listen 5 25 Move Silently 3 5 Open Lock n/a n/a Perform n/a n/a Repair -1 -1 Search -1 -1 Spot 1 2 Swim 3 5 Tumble 5 7 Use Magic Device 0 9 Level 1 (Ranger) Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot Level 2 (Monk) Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge Level 3 (Ranger) Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons Level 4 (Monk) Feat: (Monk Bonus) Mobility Level 5 (Ranger) Level 6 (Ranger) Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness Level 7 (Ranger) Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Elemental Level 8 (Ranger) Level 9 (Ranger) Feat: (Selected) Improved Damage Reduction Level 10 (Ranger) Level 11 (Ranger) Level 12 (Ranger) Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Aberration Feat: (Selected) Shot on the Run Level 13 (Ranger) Level 14 (Ranger) Level 15 (Ranger) Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons Level 16 (Ranger) Level 17 (Ranger) Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Dragon Level 18 (Ranger) Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons Level 19 (Ranger) Level 20 (Ranger) Enhancement: Ranger Arcane Archer: Imbue Acid Arrows Enhancement: Ranger Arcane Archer: Imbue Explosive Arrows Enhancement: Ranger Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Arrows Enhancement: Ranger Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Burst Arrows Enhancement: Ranger Arcane Archer: Imbue Slaying Arrows Enhancement: Ranger Arcane Archer: Imbue Terror Arrows Enhancement: Ranger Swamp Lore I Enhancement: Ranger Swamp Lore II Enhancement: Ranger Swamp Lore III Enhancement: Ranger Tundra Lore I Enhancement: Ranger Tundra Lore II Enhancement: Ranger Tundra Lore III Enhancement: Ranger Desert Lore I Enhancement: Ranger Desert Lore II Enhancement: Ranger Desert Lore III Enhancement: Way of the Clever Monkey I Enhancement: Ranger Arcane Archer: Conjure +2 Arrows Enhancement: Ranger Arcane Archer: Conjure +3 Arrows Enhancement: Ranger Arcane Archer: Conjure +4 Arrows Enhancement: Ranger Arcane Archer: Conjure +5 Arrows Enhancement: Ranger Arcane Archer I Enhancement: Ranger Energy of the Wild I Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity II Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity III Enhancement: Monk Wisdom I Enhancement: Warforged Constitution I Enhancement: Warforged Constitution II Enhancement: Warforged Construct Thinking I Enhancement: Warforged Construct Thinking II Enhancement: Warforged Construct Thinking III Enhancement: Warforged Damage Reduction I Enhancement: Warforged Damage Reduction II Enhancement: Warforged Damage Reduction III Enhancement: Warforged Hardiness I Enhancement: Warforged Hardiness II Enhancement: Warforged Hardiness III Enhancement: Warforged Inscribed Armor I
I'll appreciate any advice!Last edited by Henuindohr; 10-18-2010 at 04:57 PM.
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Out of curiosity, why FE: Goblinoid? Giant may be a better choice since trolls and ogres fall under that category. And why dragon? there may be more dragons to fight in game than Evil Outsiders but to compare how frequently those quests are run might make FE:EO a more logical choice
I know I suggested cookie-cutter FE's but they also tend to be most useful.
And good work picking Abberations, that's a FE that is frequently overlooked.
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favorites enemies were randomly placed, I'm sorry but I was concentrating on feath ... Now I fixed the build and everything is back just as I thought.
I think I've hit my goal, to have an arcane archer less fragile in close combat. Changing race to take more monk levels does not make sense, it'll damage the AC (if do not wear armor)or would not allow the monk to keep centered (if armor is weared).
not taking the 5th level of monk makes unnecessary a wis so high ... may be the last change to do is to increase the strength or the Constitution and drop the WIS to 11.Last edited by Henuindohr; 10-18-2010 at 05:28 PM.
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10-18-2010, 05:35 PM #11Community Member
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this should be the final build
could drop "monk wisdom I" and get "Ranger Energy of the Wild II" for 20 more spCode:Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.5.1 DDO Character Planner Home Page Mort Subit Level 20 Lawful Good Warforged Male (2 Monk \ 18 Ranger) Hit Points: 260 Spell Points: 377 BAB: 19\19\24\29\29 Fortitude: 21 Reflex: 19 Will: 10 Starting Feat/Enhancement Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats (32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) Strength 16 20 Dexterity 16 20 Constitution 16 18 Intelligence 8 8 Wisdom 12 13 Charisma 6 6 Starting Feat/Enhancement Base Skills Modified Skills Skills (Level 1) (Level 20) Balance 5 27 Bluff -2 -2 Concentration 3 4 Diplomacy -2 -2 Disable Device n/a n/a Haggle -2 -1 Heal 1 1 Hide 3 5 Intimidate -2 -2 Jump 7 27 Listen 5 24 Move Silently 3 5 Open Lock n/a n/a Perform n/a n/a Repair -1 -1 Search -1 -1 Spot 1 1 Swim 3 5 Tumble 5 7 Use Magic Device 0 9 Level 1 (Ranger) Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot Level 2 (Monk) Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge Level 3 (Ranger) Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons Level 4 (Monk) Feat: (Monk Bonus) Mobility Level 5 (Ranger) Level 6 (Ranger) Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness Level 7 (Ranger) Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Elemental Level 8 (Ranger) Level 9 (Ranger) Feat: (Selected) Improved Damage Reduction Level 10 (Ranger) Level 11 (Ranger) Level 12 (Ranger) Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Aberration Feat: (Selected) Shot on the Run Level 13 (Ranger) Level 14 (Ranger) Level 15 (Ranger) Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons Level 16 (Ranger) Level 17 (Ranger) Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Dragon Level 18 (Ranger) Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons Level 19 (Ranger) Level 20 (Ranger) Enhancement: Ranger Arcane Archer: Imbue Acid Arrows Enhancement: Ranger Arcane Archer: Imbue Explosive Arrows Enhancement: Ranger Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Arrows Enhancement: Ranger Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Burst Arrows Enhancement: Ranger Arcane Archer: Imbue Slaying Arrows Enhancement: Ranger Arcane Archer: Imbue Terror Arrows Enhancement: Ranger Swamp Lore I Enhancement: Ranger Swamp Lore II Enhancement: Ranger Swamp Lore III Enhancement: Ranger Tundra Lore I Enhancement: Ranger Tundra Lore II Enhancement: Ranger Tundra Lore III Enhancement: Ranger Desert Lore I Enhancement: Ranger Desert Lore II Enhancement: Ranger Desert Lore III Enhancement: Way of the Clever Monkey I Enhancement: Ranger Arcane Archer: Conjure +2 Arrows Enhancement: Ranger Arcane Archer: Conjure +3 Arrows Enhancement: Ranger Arcane Archer: Conjure +4 Arrows Enhancement: Ranger Arcane Archer: Conjure +5 Arrows Enhancement: Ranger Arcane Archer I Enhancement: Ranger Energy of the Wild I Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity II Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity III Enhancement: Monk Wisdom I Enhancement: Warforged Constitution I Enhancement: Warforged Constitution II Enhancement: Warforged Construct Thinking I Enhancement: Warforged Construct Thinking II Enhancement: Warforged Construct Thinking III Enhancement: Warforged Damage Reduction I Enhancement: Warforged Damage Reduction II Enhancement: Warforged Damage Reduction III Enhancement: Warforged Hardiness I Enhancement: Warforged Hardiness II Enhancement: Warforged Hardiness III Enhancement: Warforged Inscribed Armor I
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You seem to be just throwing random darts here.
Make a choice of either specializing in ranged or melee and get all the feats associated with that.
Both dodge and mobility are worthless, and should only be used for tempest prerequisites.
Damage reduction feats are less than good.
I'd probably advise against Mental toughness too, but it can have its uses.
If you want to mix it up in melee sometimes, id go with power attack, its gonna add alot more dmg than weapon focus slashing.
Start at 15 dex instead of 16 to save 2 pts for int/wis imo.
Heavily consider going with an 18/1rog/1monk instead of 18/2monk.
You'll get full access to UMD, disable,locks. Better dps.
Go search for an AA exploiter build, theres plenty around.
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10-19-2010, 11:16 AM #13Community Member
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What you wrote is wrong... Originally Posted by Steveohio
1. dodge and mobility give acess to shot on run that is very usefull when you run hitting your enemy with arrows; i've played Arcane arcer for long time and trust me if i tell you that run while hitting is a frequent situation for arcane.
2. Dmage reduction is not great when in close combat, is great when you fight from the distance! (i want to be an arcane archer!)
Weapon focus slashing is to improve close combat. In close combat i'll fight as TWF and i need to wear a non light weapon in the primary hand. Choosing weapon focus slashing make longsword a monk weapon, so i can use longsword (kama in off-hand)and stay centered with monk. Originally Posted by Steveohio
I don't need high wis because i thake only 2 lvl of monk; 14 wis will suffice to cast all the ranger's spells and a +2 wis item (or +1 if i get monk wis enhancement) it's really easy to find since korthos's quests. Originally Posted by Steveohio
before open that thread i've searched and studied many similar builds. I could go 18/1rog/1monk if i'm planning to play a melee toon with high dps... but i'm not planning that. I want an arcane archer not too weak when in close combat. I opened a new thread because i need to discuss to plan something of really new. Originally Posted by Steveohio
I appreciate your advice, may be i'm not throwing random darts , i think that you are missing the target this time.
Thank you anyway
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10-19-2010, 11:56 AM #14Build Constructionist
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The problem is you've sacrificed some important feats just to negate that -4 to-hit while moving. E.g., I don't see Power Attack or Improved Crit Slash, both of which are pretty important to your melee DPS; and every build should have Toughness, which would add 22 - 62 HPs to your char depending on how many Toughness enhs you took. Originally Posted by Henuindohr
DR items are not that hard to find: e.g., Blademark's Docent from Sentinels chain, Bloodrage Symbiont from Haywire's Foundry (VoN). You're better off finding one of those items and putting your feat & enh pts into other things.2. Dmage reduction is not great when in close combat, is great when you fight from the distance!
You also need the Whirling Steel Strike feat, which you don't have. IMHO the 1st-tier monk stances aren't worth the feat cost, but you could do it.Choosing weapon focus slashing make longsword a monk weapon, so i can use longsword (kama in off-hand)and stay centered with monk.
If you're sincere about trying to get high AC out of this build, consider starting INT 11 or 12 and taking a +1 or +2 tome so you can get Combat Expertise.
This is a bit unconventional, but so's your build: consider ranger 18 / monk 1 / wizard 1. Wizard gets you a free metamagic, bypasses the MT pre-req for AA, and lets you use arcane wands free; in particular, Repair wands will be useful to you.
EDIT: also, some of your Favored Enemies are not good choices; Undead, Giants, & Evil Outsiders are the usual recommendations, with Elementals or Constructs for the final FE.
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Unbongwah, I must admit that your comments are always accompanied by good arguments, so they are really valuable. I thank you sincerely for the help you're giving me
Now let's get the facts:
I think shot on run useless is arguable (is in effect a ranged feat!), what's not arguable is that Toughness is an important feat. Originally Posted by unbongwah
I need also Whirling Steel Strike! it's a mistake i did!
The problem is that i've not many feat to drop... But you have suggested me a solution:
The second time i've read this tip i've started to love it. THX!!!!!! Originally Posted by unbongwah
I don't want to consider tome while planning, i don't know if i can use tome and i don't want to make my build tome's dependent. But taking 1 wiz (instead of 2nd monk) will grant me one more feat to use (bypassing MT).
I think i'll try to thake the wiz level, drop improved damage reduction ( i'll not drop DR enhancement )and i'll take Toughness and Whirling Steel Strike. I'll post soon the build reviewed.
Thank you again!!!!!
P.S.: combat experise will grant me +5 AC and -5 BAB... Usually i'll want high AC when in close combat, in close combat i have still -2 to BAB for the TWF!!! I think is a feat good only for caster (i'll not get that one because penalize too much the BAB )Last edited by Henuindohr; 10-19-2010 at 12:56 PM.
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Following any your tips it's the output; i don't know if is better drop toghness at lvl 18 and take power attack, if i'll do so it's possible to use any of the 4 AP left for Warforged power attack. Another choice would be get improved crit slashing... i think it's something need to be tuned during game experience with the toon.
I'm not stisfied... i think some improvement are still possibleCode:Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.5.1 DDO Character Planner Home Page Mort Subit Level 20 Lawful Good Warforged Male (1 Monk \ 18 Ranger \ 1 Wizard) Hit Points: 340 Spell Points: 402 BAB: 18\18\23\28\28 Fortitude: 19 Reflex: 18 Will: 11 Starting Feat/Enhancement Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats (32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) Strength 16 20 Dexterity 16 20 Constitution 16 18 Intelligence 8 8 Wisdom 12 12 Charisma 6 6 Starting Feat/Enhancement Base Skills Modified Skills Skills (Level 1) (Level 20) Balance 5 26 Bluff -2 -2 Concentration 3 4 Diplomacy -2 -2 Disable Device n/a n/a Haggle -2 -2 Heal 1 1 Hide 3 5 Intimidate -2 -2 Jump 7 26 Listen 5 24 Move Silently 3 5 Open Lock n/a n/a Perform n/a n/a Repair 0 0 Search -1 -1 Spot 1 1 Swim 3 5 Tumble 4 6 Use Magic Device 0 9 Level 1 (Ranger) Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot Enhancement: Warforged Construct Thinking I Enhancement: Warforged Damage Reduction I Enhancement: Warforged Hardiness I Level 2 (Monk) Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness Enhancement: Warforged Inscribed Armor I Level 3 (Ranger) Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons Enhancement: Ranger Swamp Lore I Enhancement: Ranger Tundra Lore I Enhancement: Ranger Desert Lore I Enhancement: Racial Toughness I Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I Level 4 (Wizard) Ability Raise: STR Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Extend Spell Enhancement: Warforged Constitution I Level 5 (Ranger) Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar I Level 6 (Ranger) Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons Enhancement: Warforged Construct Thinking II Enhancement: Warforged Damage Reduction II Enhancement: Warforged Hardiness II Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend I Level 7 (Ranger) Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Giant Enhancement: Racial Toughness II Level 8 (Ranger) Ability Raise: STR Enhancement: Ranger Arcane Archer I Level 9 (Ranger) Feat: (Selected) Whirling Steel Strike Enhancement: Ranger Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Arrows Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity II Level 10 (Ranger) Enhancement: Warforged Constitution II Level 11 (Ranger) Enhancement: Racial Toughness III Enhancement: Ranger Arcane Archer: Conjure +2 Arrows Level 12 (Ranger) Ability Raise: STR Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Aberration Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons Enhancement: Ranger Arcane Archer: Imbue Acid Arrows Enhancement: Racial Toughness IV Level 13 (Ranger) Level 14 (Ranger) Level 15 (Ranger) Feat: (Selected) Power Attack Level 16 (Ranger) Ability Raise: STR Level 17 (Ranger) Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Elemental Level 18 (Ranger) Feat: (Selected) Toughness Level 19 (Ranger) Level 20 (Ranger) Ability Raise: DEX Enhancement: Ranger Arcane Archer: Imbue Explosive Arrows Enhancement: Ranger Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Burst Arrows Enhancement: Ranger Arcane Archer: Imbue Slaying Arrows Enhancement: Ranger Arcane Archer: Imbue Terror Arrows Enhancement: Ranger Swamp Lore II Enhancement: Ranger Swamp Lore III Enhancement: Ranger Tundra Lore II Enhancement: Ranger Tundra Lore III Enhancement: Ranger Desert Lore II Enhancement: Ranger Desert Lore III Enhancement: Ranger Arcane Archer: Conjure +3 Arrows Enhancement: Ranger Arcane Archer: Conjure +4 Arrows Enhancement: Ranger Arcane Archer: Conjure +5 Arrows Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity III
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10-19-2010, 05:56 PM #17Community Member
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I've designed also a build using elven's arcane enhancements. It's a build more oriented on TWF than the warforged ones. Anyway the build with warforged it's more oriented on buff spell casting and is also more robust.
i decided to post the elf's build also to fuel the debate and because is quite close to the exploiter build that was mentioned more than one time
(Please do not pay attention to the order the feat has been taken)
Code:Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.5.1 DDO Character Planner Home Page Level 20 Lawful Good Elf Male (7 Fighter \ 2 Rogue \ 11 Ranger) Hit Points: 344 Spell Points: 265 BAB: 19\19\24\29\29 Fortitude: 15 Reflex: 15 Will: 8 Starting Feat/Enhancement Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats (32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) Strength 16 20 Dexterity 13 16 Constitution 14 16 Intelligence 13 13 Wisdom 12 12 Charisma 8 8 Starting Feat/Enhancement Base Skills Modified Skills Skills (Level 1) (Level 20) Balance 5 17 Bluff -1 -1 Concentration 2 3 Diplomacy -1 -1 Disable Device 5 18 Haggle -1 -1 Heal 3 3 Hide 1 4 Intimidate -1 -1 Jump 7 18 Listen 5 8 Move Silently 1 4 Open Lock 5 20 Perform n/a n/a Repair 1 1 Search 5 8 Spot 1 3 Swim 3 5 Tumble 5 7 Use Magic Device 3 16 Level 1 (Rogue) Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot Level 2 (Rogue) Level 3 (Fighter) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Combat Expertise Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons Level 4 (Ranger) Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead Level 5 (Ranger) Level 6 (Ranger) Feat: (Selected) Iron Will Level 7 (Ranger) Level 8 (Ranger) Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Giant Level 9 (Ranger) Feat: (Selected) Toughness Level 10 (Ranger) Level 11 (Ranger) Level 12 (Ranger) Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell Level 13 (Ranger) Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Aberration Level 14 (Ranger) Level 15 (Fighter) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting Feat: (Selected) Toughness Level 16 (Fighter) Level 17 (Fighter) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons Level 18 (Fighter) Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness Level 19 (Fighter) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Ranged Weapons Level 20 (Fighter) Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost III Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Acid Arrows Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Explosive Arrows Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Arrows Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Burst Arrows Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Slaying Arrows Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Terror Arrows Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II Enhancement: Aerenal Elf Melee Attack I Enhancement: Aerenal Elf Melee Attack II Enhancement: Aerenal Elf Melee Damage I Enhancement: Aerenal Elf Melee Damage II Enhancement: Elven Ranged Attack I Enhancement: Elven Ranged Attack II Enhancement: Elven Ranged Damage I Enhancement: Elven Ranged Damage II Enhancement: Ranger Swamp Lore I Enhancement: Ranger Swamp Lore II Enhancement: Ranger Tundra Lore I Enhancement: Ranger Tundra Lore II Enhancement: Ranger Desert Lore I Enhancement: Ranger Desert Lore II Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy III Enhancement: Racial Toughness I Enhancement: Racial Toughness II Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +2 Arrows Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +3 Arrows Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +4 Arrows Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +5 Arrows Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer I Enhancement: Ranger Energy of the Wild I Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I Enhancement: Fighter Strength I Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III
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10-19-2010, 06:11 PM #18Community Member
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Other choice is to go elven 12 ranger/6 monk/2 fighter. We get max barkskin on the ranger side as well as all of the twf/archery feats. We get ninja spy I from the monk side. I originally planned 14 ranger/6 monk but honestly feats are already tight on an arcane archer that wants a bit of melee...fighter lets of get Weapon Focus: Slashing that we need to take Whirling Steel Strike as one of our 3 monk feats (WSS, Zen Archery, and Dodge) as well as one extra feat. We also get t2 animal paths, t2 elemental stances, fighter toughness, str, and haste...just a nice mix of abilities to complement either our arcane archer abilities or our twf. If the enhancements permit it you could use the elven ability that adds to scimitar/long sword damage and then use scimi's when you don't want to use ki, longswords when you do. I'm not sure if EarthII/EarthI/Fist of Iron/Earth Finisher would negate the extra damage from scimi's though.
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10-19-2010, 06:25 PM #19Community Member
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I sincerely need to understand 2 points please:
1. Why go for monk while choosing elven? you can't wear armor if you want to stay centered with monk and you'll not use unharmed ability i think
2. why use zen archery and at the same time focus on TWF. TWF need strengt to work and at the 1st ranger's lvl the feat bow strengt is granted, so why should i need Zen archery?
I agree on the usefullness of 12 ranger lvl to access buff spells.
Thank you for tips
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