Mass Bull's Or Mass Bear's?

[AndyD47]

Both come on scrolls,might as well have both if you felt the need for any of them.

Heck,you could throw in +4 wisdom for the saves while you're at it it.

All that being said, bear>bull for a boost in survivability assuming everyone in the group doesn't have a con item on for whatever reason.

[JollySwagMan]

Neither.

However you might cast Mass Bears (from a scroll, of course) to see if anyone in your group is not wearing a +4 Con item. This might indicate that they'll need special attention.

[Thriand]

Eagle's splendor

[cardmj1]

Level 11 cleric following the path. Usually groups with folks level 9-12. So one or the other.

Are you a favored soul or a cleric?

Favored soul, neither. The spell swap may be too expensive for and it will only be a good spell for a week maybe two depending on how much you play.

Cleric. Mass Bull's to increase some damage, improve str base skills. But, neither is a good spell in general. Once a player has a +4 stat item, there is no benefit from the buff. By the time you get access to those spells, most people will have a +4 stat item for str and con. If you must, keep the single target Bear and Bulls for those who don't.

[Spoonwelder]

Agreeing with the neither comment.....too many good spells at that level to waste on the stock market.

But come at it from a different angle. I cast about 5 mass spells at the start of quests. Aid, Prot from Evil, Deathward, Prot. Elements, Shield of Faith(since I don't have a +5 prot item) once in a while Spell Resist and Heroes Feast. I do that because I want the individual spell on me and the difference in SP from the mass to the personal is minor and spell slots are scarce. SO I cast them for me and let the others benefit if it does it takes less than 15 seconds and I am ready to roll once the haste lands.

Thus I come to Bears and Bulls - I need neither now and didn't at that level either. So I didn't load it or cast it. That said I would always ask before a quest started if there were any special buffs needed by the party. The response was almost always just specific elemental resists. Never once was I asked for any other spell.

Now if it is a vote as to utility - bulls first, bears second again because it would help me more.

[Club'in]

Neither.

However you might cast Mass Bears (from a scroll, of course) to see if anyone in your group is not wearing a +4 Con item. This might indicate that they'll need special attention.

Bah! You beat me to it. Survey says!:

Neither.

Carry scrolls of both, and cast both at the start of the first dungeon with a new party. If you see lots of icons popping up over people's heads, may be time to look for a different group. (I'm just kidding! [kinda])

[hermespan]

Which spell do you prefer?

Mass Bull's Strength or Mass Bear's Endurance?

Simple answer, just one or the other.

Thanks for your polite answer and input.

Assuming that +4 is more than people have on their items...

Mass Bull's. When faced with choices, just about always pick the one that increases DPS. It makes the mobs die faster, thereby decreasing the number of hitpoints you need to heal during fights, which makes your mana last longer. All that bear's endurance does is increase the hitpoints, so you will burn mana just as fast. Bull's is the clear winner in terms of what benefits the party more >most< of the time.

Bull's kills two birds with one stone, increase dps, decrease mana use. Everyone is happier. If you are fighting mobs that do con damage, maybe bear's. However if you are radiant servant this is a non-issue.

[Kinerd]

But since scrolls work equally well as the spell, there really is no reason to carry the spell.

Yes, if you (the OP) have scrolls or the funds necessary to obtain them, it would be silly to prepare either spell.

[Darkrok]

Between the two I'd take the Mass Bull's as well. I'd scroll Mass Bear's for puppies. My reasoning is that if someone didn't have a +4 con I'd just kick them from the group. I can understand a caster for instance not having a +4 str item and places like The Shroud where everyone hits the portals (+str items or not) it could make a marginal difference.

I'm actually a fan of Mass Owl's and Mass Cat's as well for the bonus to saves. I know that my THF Warchanter has neither a +dex or +wis item at the moment (I'll have a +wis once I make a con-opp greensteel but not before then and I doubt I ever have a dex item). Not that I'd mem the spell for those people but my Warchanter doesn't have many options at level 6 for spells and I'm carrying Mass Cat's at the moment for the reflex saves.

[Thorvald_Grimbjorn]

Mass Bull's Strength.

[Matuse]

Heal
Blade Barrier
Mass Cure Moderate Wounds
Banishment
Symbol of Persuasion
Harm
Heroe's Feast

...all have about 300% higher priority than pointless nonsense of mass bull's/bear's.

If you memorize either of those spells outside of the Hound, you are a bad player. If you are grouping with multiple people (since if it was just one person, they could bring some potions, or a House P buff...which come to think of it, multiple people could also do for themselves instead of wasting healer SP) who need those spells, you are grouping with bad players.