Why do u Play a Cleric if u dont want to heal?

[vrobel]

Look, Vrobel, I'm sure your character doesn't suck that hard, but you should listen to what these people try to tell you. If you've played world of warcraft, this game is nothing like it. Clerics here don't just heal, they can heal and melee pretty well at lowlevels, combined with a few offensive casts that sometimes make healing not even needed at all. What you should do, if oponents provide that much trouble, is perhaps start looking into a way to take care of your own healing.

The cleric (if he's worth anything) will be there to cover for you, when it gets really rough, but you'd be surprised at how much you can handle yourself, once you quaff a heroism potion, a rage potion, a haste potion, etc etc...You could perhaps look into ways to avoid the triplehit combo those trolls do, if you feel you're taking too much damage. Try running in, swinging, running out, back in, and so on. Find ways of fighting that work for you. If you see a group of five bullies on a marketplace somewhere and you wanted to teach them a lesson somehow, would you go 'yaaaaaaaar', and storm in the middle of the lot of them? I doubt it. You'd prepare. This is no different, really.

What you have as philosophy, is that a cleric's manabar should be sufficient to provide healing in between shrines. Let me clear something up for you. If your whole group is near death after a group of five(ish) trolls, that's neeeever going to happen. Try making a cleric, group with a couple of new players that ask for a healer in level 10 quests and below, see what happens. That one cleric that carried your asses before, likely used wands and potions, to keep you all up. Why should he use money, while you save yours for weapons you can buy from the AH later. Give a little, take a little.

Im playing this game 1 year now and i have never played WoW i have a lvl 20 wizzy and now a lvl 6 ranger/4 fighter going for 12 fighter /6ranger /2 rog .I Kno clerics are not for healing only BUT some ppl have rolled healbots wich i prefer to quest with coz even if the party is full of idiots tjey can handle that .And pls stop saying im a bad player or something like that i kno how to play and if u dont trust me pvp with me or run some quest with me!

[Zombiekenny]

...lvl 8 ...Coz the whole Party was at nearly 0 hp...

... and everyone lost like 40 hp

I think I may have found the problem guys.

[Dozen_Black_Roses]

A waste ? Ive runned it on elite already before with a healbot ,we had no deaths and we finished it in 30 mins

What I and 90% of the people reading this thread translated this to is....

I ran this before on elite, with a great group of players that carried me through the quest so I never realized how poorly I play, and how well they used tactics and strategy so that the quest could be run swiftly. Yes I had a healbot that probably spent all their mana on me or had to use very little mana as the other players in the quest killed things before I got myself killed.

fixed that for you

Exactly

[Otherworld]

Did you know you can buy heals in the form of a potion? It's sounds like cheating don't ya think?

Nerf pots!

Threads like these make me think back to the time I rolled a cleric, just so I could say I tried out all classes.
Every pug I joined was amazed I could command mobs to fall down and even outdps some of them. No healing required. (Obviously before lvl10) It's sad actually.

[Manko-ALE]

the way i see it , you have to modify tactics based on party make up.
if you had an arcane with an effective hypnotism, it might take longer, but hypnotize the mobs, then all three of the melee's take them down one at a time really fast..

if there is one thing about this game that frustrates me is this. no one uses tactics except on raids any more... if you have 3 rogues in the party , use that ridiculous back stab damage.

if you have a bard, let him use fascinate and gang the mobs one at a time..

use choke points and crowd control.

pull mobs away from groups of mobs.

don't wait around for the perfect group. take what you can get and discuss with the party the best way to accomplish the goal .

about the only time i dedicate my cleric to healing is on raids.

[jkm]

:S Not 40 dmg a hit 40 dmg from beeing hit. 1 time from 8 mobs and be knocked down

if i remember right, a 39 ac is unhittable by all mobs except for the trolls in SC elite (which are a 43 or so). now it is elite so grazing hits are on a 12-19. even with that AC mobs might get lucky once a quest and roll a 20/20/76 to critical. that ac should carry you to the end fight where tactics come into play. now everyone should be able to get close to these numbers by level 10, even a barbarian (so what if you don't rage?)

this is a really important concept to understand until clerics/FvS get mass cure moderate wounds and heal. up until that point, clerical healing is inefficient as ****. you have to do everything you can as a melee to mitigate incoming damage to offset that inefficiency.

i play with a static group of 3 (with stragglers that vary it between 4 and 6), we have combos where we level to 20 without any healing. the only quests it really keeps us from completing are raids - sometimes.

[Dandonk]

And pls stop saying im a bad player or something like that i kno how to play and if u dont trust me pvp with me

Umm, this is not helping your case much with most people on these boards, sorry.

[Dingdongtudelu]

...i kno how to play and if u dont trust me pvp with me...

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[Lord_WC]

Well, back to the OP's question I usually play my fvs to leave 200hp 0% fort toons die (well, stats on lvl20). Seriously.
They are usually a waste of a party slot. I do think the same applies here as well.
Or probably your 'healer' was bad. But that quest is soloable even on elite, even on lvl8. Sure, you will need pots, but it beats dying

[blitzschlag]

i kno how to play and if u dont trust me pvp with me or run some quest with me!

you truly know how to keep a thread going strong man

[vrobel]

What I and 90% of the people reading this thread translated this to is....

I ran this before on elite, with a great group of players that carried me through the quest so I never realized how poorly I play, and how well they used tactics and strategy so that the quest could be run swiftly. Yes I had a healbot that probably spent all their mana on me or had to use very little mana as the other players in the quest killed things before I got myself killed.



Exactly

Read my post at the beginning of the site and no i was not dead and no i didnt played poorly

[Dozen_Black_Roses]

Im playing this game 1 year now and i have never played WoW i have a lvl 20 wizzy and now a lvl 6 ranger/4 fighter going for 12 fighter /6ranger /2 rog .I Kno clerics are not for healing only BUT some ppl have rolled healbots wich i prefer to quest with coz even if the party is full of idiots tjey can handle that .And pls stop saying im a bad player or something like that i kno how to play and if u dont trust me pvp with me or run some quest with me!

Well since all your toons are anonymous on myddo and none listed in your sig, how will we be able to connect to let you prove yourself ?

[vrobel]

Vrobell lvl 20 wizzy Vrobel lvl 6 ranger/4 fighter

[AndyD47]

If I saw a lfm for a group of level 8s that wanted to do stormcleave on elite and absolutely NEEDED a healbot,I'd expect a train wreck from the start.
I'd have joined probably to do the same thing this aforementioned cleric did,which is just to watch the tears flow once I determined it was hopeless.

Seriously,He would have run out of mana almost immediately if he was trying to heal stupid.

You basically put up a lfm that said "We kinda suck but because a cleric was willing to spend a bunch of money on a completion for us that one time we should totally do that again and we don't actually like clerics,just the sweet sweet HEALZ,if you aren't a healbot you are wrong and clearly aren't going to be enough to keep a gimp like me up."

Hell,you could just have shortmanned the thing on normal 2-3 times in the time it took you waiting to fail horribly.

Edit:Ah,delicious neg rep.

[Towrn]

Well since all your toons are anonymous on myddo and none listed in your sig, how will we be able to connect to let you prove yourself ?

I love aggressive women, especially when they are my guildies......

[Lorien_the_First_One]

Im playing this game 1 year now and i have never played WoW i have a lvl 20 wizzy and now a lvl 6 ranger/4 fighter going for 12 fighter /6ranger /2 rog .I Kno clerics are not for healing only BUT some ppl have rolled healbots wich i prefer to quest with coz even if the party is full of idiots tjey can handle that .And pls stop saying im a bad player or something like that i kno how to play and if u dont trust me pvp with me or run some quest with me!

You know that pvp line destroys your credibility right?

And if you need a heal bot to stop you from dying in a low level quest, its because you are a bad player.

Vrobell lvl 20 wizzy Vrobel lvl 6 ranger/4 fighter

Wait...you were dying in SC on a L10 character? Wow, you should have been able to solo that quest. Or was it l8 as you claimed earlier? Either way, at L8 you should still own that quest.

And on ranger no less...meaning you could have wand whipped yourself and the party as well as the cleric.

Seriously, you failed.

[Razcar]

Have you considered a career in masonry?

[t0r012]

Umm, this is not helping your case much with most people on these boards, sorry.

I was just scrolling down to type that response in almost word for word.

[vrobel]

If I saw a lfm for a group of level 8s that wanted to do stormcleave on elite and absolutely NEEDED a healbot,I'd expect a train wreck from the start.
I'd have joined probably to do the same thing this aforementioned cleric did,which is just to watch the tears flow once I determined it was hopeless.

Seriously,He would have run out of mana almost immediately if he was trying to heal stupid.

You basically put up a lfm that said "We kinda suck but because a cleric was willing to spend a bunch of money on a completion for us that one time we should totally do that again and we don't actually like clerics,just the sweet sweet HEALZ,if you aren't a healbot you are wrong and clearly aren't going to be enough to keep a gimp like me up."

Hell,you could just have shortmanned the thing on normal 2-3 times in the time it took you waiting to fail horribly.

Yay no.6 that has never run with me and has never saw me and says im a gimp

[Hendrik]

You know that pvp line destroys your credibility right?

And if you need a heal bot to stop you from dying in a low level quest, its because you are a bad player.

Hehe

Don't worry, his next run he will be taking TWO pocket healers to compensate....

I'm thinking the magic number will be 3 pocket healers needed to complete.