dwarves getting dwarven axes

**kartos** · 10-10-2010, 04:43 AM

I was checking a few dwarf builds and noticed that dwarves get dwarven axes only if they have every martial proficiency which is completely wrong in my opinion as all dwarven warriors receive training with this weapon it should be given to any dwarf with 13 str and +1 BAB (so some characters may need to wait to level 2)

**EustaceTrevelyan** · 10-10-2010, 05:03 AM

Originally Posted by kartos

I was checking a few dwarf builds and noticed that dwarves get dwarven axes only if they have every martial proficiency which is completely wrong in my opinion as all dwarven warriors receive training with this weapon it should be given to any dwarf with 13 str and +1 BAB (so some characters may need to wait to level 2)

According to the logic of the game, if you pick a warrior class (Ftr, Barb, Ranger, Paladin), then one of the things you're granted is proficiency with all martial weapons (which for dwarves includes d-axes), since that would be part of your basic training. If you're a dwarf who doesn't pursue such a path, your experience with weapons is much more limited. However, if you are a dwarf in such a class, if you're under the effect of the Master's Touch spell, you'll recieve proficiency in any martial weapons you happen to be holding till next rest, which for dwarves includes d-axes. Best I can outside of a splash of fighter.

**kartos** · 10-10-2010, 05:12 AM

so let's say that a dwarf was raised as a cleric but he grown to love the art of war so he trained with weapons he should get the dwarven axes!

**Dandonk** · 10-10-2010, 05:16 AM

Originally Posted by kartos

so let's say that a dwarf was raised as a cleric but he grown to love the art of war so he trained with weapons he should get the dwarven axes!

If he grew to love the art of war, wouldn't that translate into taking a level of fighter?

**kartos** · 10-10-2010, 05:43 AM

no he was raised purely as cleric but he knows how to fight

**fuzzy1guy** · 10-10-2010, 05:49 AM

The way i always played it was ANY dwarf of ANY class got Dax for free. Racial weapon. Part of their heritage.

It's right there in the name even... dwarven...

Now you wanna use anything else.. Yup. gonna need martial prof... but they always got basic dwarven axe skill for free.

**Teharahma** · 10-10-2010, 05:52 AM

Originally Posted by kartos

no he was raised purely as cleric but he knows how to fight

So you want a schizophrenic dwarf ?

One ego to destroy, and the other to mend ?

**kartos** · 10-10-2010, 06:07 AM

Originally Posted by Teharahma

So you want a schizophrenic dwarf ?

One ego to destroy, and the other to mend ?

lol it's not like believers today are any better (sorry for religious people) but ya that kind of dwarf sounds awesome

Originally Posted by fuzzy1guy

The way i always played it was ANY dwarf of ANY class got Dax for free. Racial weapon. Part of their heritage.

It's right there in the name even... dwarven...

Now you wanna use anything else.. Yup. gonna need martial prof... but they always got basic dwarven axe skill for free.

yep very true

**Matuse** · 10-10-2010, 06:18 AM

no he was raised purely as cleric but he knows how to fight

Sounds like he invested in the Martial Weapon Proficiency: Dwarven Axe feat.

**Natashaelle** · 10-10-2010, 07:11 AM

Originally Posted by Matuse

Sounds like he invested in the Martial Weapon Proficiency: Dwarven Axe feat.

Exotic, not Martial -- which I kind of agree with, except that cleric is one of those classes where dorven ones probably should be able to get dorf axe without burning a feat.

Either as a specific enhancement line, or as a freebie for dorf clerics taking the future WarPriest I enhancement.

I don't think that all dorf clerics should get it completely free though -- some of them *are* actually heejlrz y'know...

**breadstick** · 10-10-2010, 07:26 AM

Originally Posted by kartos

no he was raised purely as cleric but he knows how to fight

and he also took an interest in spell-casting and lute-playing, but he didn't take any wiz/bard levels...

**kartos** · 10-10-2010, 07:48 AM

clerics can fight but they can't sing if he was interested in singing he would have learned the bardic ways

**fuzzy1guy** · 10-10-2010, 07:56 AM

Making it a 1-3ap enhancment for those without martial feat wouldn't be too bad.

They still wouldn't have all the feats backing it up. But they should still be able to get proficient without much cost at all. If not zero..

Racial weapon... come on...

**Matuse** · 10-10-2010, 03:51 PM

Every weapon in the real world was designed by humans. I don't recall getting proficiency in any of them when I was born.

**TheDearLeader** · 10-10-2010, 04:10 PM

Thank you for making me laugh today.

You either don't play pnp, or you have a *very* forgiving DM.

The point of "Skills" and "Feats" in the D&D world are so that you can flesh your character out, and give it some flavor and customization outside of what a class would normally see.

If you want to play a pure cleric, who has trained with his ancestral weapon, you pick Exotic : Dwarven Axe.

This represents your character's background and history, and dedication to learn something slightly outside of the norm. As characters have limited time to learn things, they also have limited feats and skills.

After all, if your dorf was off swinging an axe while other members of the clergy were focusing on healing better, then its only natural that you would gain Exotic: DA, while they gain Empower Healing.

Also, while I woudn't recommend it, one level of fighter would give you automatic proficiency, and allow you an additional fighter bonus feat, as well as 2 more hit points, Proficiency with Tower Shields, and a slightly higher BAB.

May the Sovereign Host guide you.

**Waukeen** · 10-10-2010, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by kartos

I was checking a few dwarf builds and noticed that dwarves get dwarven axes only if they have every martial proficiency which is completely wrong in my opinion as all dwarven warriors receive training with this weapon it should be given to any dwarf with 13 str and +1 BAB (so some characters may need to wait to level 2)

You contradict yourself above. You say that all dwarven warriors recieve training with this weapon.
The game gives the proficiency for Dwaven axe to ALL Martial Classed dwarves.
Dwarven wizards should not have Dwarven axe as a free proficiency.

The other story line that you posted could be achieved with 1 ftr lvl or taking the proficiency.

**FlyingTurtle** · 10-10-2010, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by breadstick

and he also took an interest in spell-casting and lute-playing, but he didn't take any wiz/bard levels...

He also had a keen interest in touching and feeling up other people while pretending to heal them, but didn't take any Paladin levels.

**Pugsley** · 10-10-2010, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by Dandonk

If he grew to love the art of war, wouldn't that translate into taking a level of fighter?

No, that would mean a Cleric with the War Domain.

**TheDearLeader** · 10-10-2010, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by Pugsley

No, that would mean a Cleric with the War Domain.

Yes yes, Domains.

Clerics have been harping for them for forever. Sadly, probably not going to happen.

Oh, or if we want to be really fancy...

I looked up the Deities for Ebberon. None of them, regardless of Domain, have Dwarven Axe as their weapon. As can be read here, .pdf by the way. Pages 15 and 16.

**Rakian_Knight** · 10-10-2010, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by kartos

no he was raised purely as cleric but he knows how to fight

This would translate into something that DDO doesn't have but D&D does, Cleric Domains. One of the domains is War and it grants a martial weapon prof. for a single weapon as a bonus feat. I'd push for Cleric Domains over giving a dwarven ax to every dwarf.

I see this thread being brought up again when Druids (if they ever come) are released because they don't have martial weapon prof.

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