dwarves getting dwarven axes

[TheDearLeader]

This would translate into something that DDO doesn't have but D&D does, Cleric Domains. One of the domains is War and it grants a martial weapon prof. for a single weapon as a bonus feat. I'd push for Cleric Domains over giving a dwarven ax to every dwarf.

Um. Read the post right above yours. It gives you the Weapon Proficiency related to your Deity. Its a specific weapon, and its irregardless of whether or not its Martial or Exotic.

[sephiroth1084]

Look at it this way:

If you grew up in feudal japan and were trained as a Buddhist priest you wouldn't know how to use a katana unless you'd spent time actively training with it. Dwarven clerics aren't necessarily focused on combat, so why should they be proficient in the use of a difficulty, unwieldy weapon?

[AZgreentea]

Look at it this way:

If you grew up in feudal japan and were trained as a Buddhist priest you wouldn't know how to use a katana unless you'd spent time actively training with it. Dwarven clerics aren't necessarily focused on combat, so why should they be proficient in the use of a difficulty, unwieldy weapon?

This.

Just because the weapon is cultural to you, dosent mean you have training in it. I have been an army soldier for 6 years. That dosent mean I have anything more than a really basic idea (and I am counting what I saw on the history channel) about how to drive a tank or target and fire the main gun.

The Thompson Sub Machine gun is an Iconic American weapon, how many people in the United States (without training on it) can just pick it up, load it, and fire it?

[PopeJual]

This is similar to how the other "racial" weapons work. The martial weapons are made one step easier to become simple weapons and the exotic weapons are made one step easier to become martial weapons.

Why is this confusing or upsetting?

[Freeman]

I'm from Alabama, yet I somehow managed to NOT learn how to play a banjo. I'm also not proficient in all Martial weapons, just Huntin' ones.(Yes, you have to have to spell it like that)

[sephiroth1084]

I'm from Alabama, yet I somehow managed to NOT learn how to play a banjo. I'm also not proficient in all Martial weapons, just Huntin' ones.(Yes, you have to have to spell it like that)

I didn't even know there was supposed to be a 't' in there. Always thought it was 'hun'in'.

[fuzzy1guy]

Yeah i see where you're comming from to be aginst giving it to them for free.. Free? Oh no. easy button. boo hoo.


Yet as an elf i get longsword and rapier martial weapon profs for free... Just by being an elf.

[PopeJual]

Yeah i see where you're comming from to be aginst giving it to them for free.. Free? Oh no. easy button. boo hoo.


Yet as an elf i get longsword and rapier martial weapon profs for free... Just by being an elf.

What do Fighters, Rangers, Paladins, Bards and Barbarians (and splashes) get for being an Elf?
Nothing.

What do Clerics, Rogues, Wizards, FvS, Monks and Sorcs get for being a Dwarf?
Nothing. (Unless they splash Ftr, Rgr, Pal or Bbn.)

Each racial weapon gets easy-buttoned by one level. Exotic goes to martial. Martial goes to Simple. This should not be complicated or confusing.

[Notajedi]

clerics can fight but they can't sing if he was interested in singing he would have learned the bardic ways

He sings hymnals and stuff in his religious building. Gregorian Chants. My dwarven cleric should have Dwarven Axes and Bard Abilities.

I also dabbled in making coins appear out of my kids ears, I need magic user.

My kids have locked the bathroom door and I picked the lock. Rogue!!

[Tholar]

Somebody didn't add money to the donation box, "religious fury" (rage)

I follow a religion that practices self-flagellation, "toughness feat"

I was a politician in Chicago, "bluff skill +10"

My mother was a halfling, "half-halfling"

[sephiroth1084]

Somebody didn't add money to the donation box, "religious fury" (rage)

I follow a religion that practices self-flagellation, "toughness feat"

I was a politician in Chicago, "bluff skill +10"

My mother was a halfling, "half-halfling"

Politician in NY, "sleight of hand & bluff +15."

[Lorien_the_First_One]

I was checking a few dwarf builds and noticed that dwarves get dwarven axes only if they have every martial proficiency which is completely wrong in my opinion as all dwarven warriors receive training with this weapon it should be given to any dwarf with 13 str and +1 BAB (so some characters may need to wait to level 2)

Correct, all dwarven WARRIORS...and they do get it now.

What's being done is consistant with PnP rules and there is no good reason to change it.

[babacadabra]

They need to let pure dwarven rogues get dwarven axes. they give elves/halflings rapiers, but dwarves have to burn a feat or splash another class and lose capstone.

i can understand wiz/sorcs not getting it, but they need to let dwarve rogues get axes.

[TheDearLeader]

They need to let pure dwarven rogues get dwarven axes. they give elves/halflings rapiers, but dwarves have to burn a feat or splash another class and lose capstone.

i can understand wiz/sorcs not getting it, but they need to let dwarve rogues get axes.

First... why are you necroing this thread? And making me further necro it by responding?

Second... perhaps you've missed something.

http://ddowiki.com/page/Rogue

Rogues always have Rapiers. Your Dwarven Rogue 20 can use Rapiers. Its not a racial thing, the class just... gets them.

And read the enhancements for Elves and Halflings. Only Elves get extra rapier damage - Halflings would do as much damage as a Dwarf. Actually less, since they are -2 Str at character creation.

So they don't *need* to do anything just because there's a part of the game you don't like. There are some classes/races that may have better synergy, because all classes and races are different. Sure, Elven Rogue 20 may be better Rapier damage. Truthfully, he probably does better damage with Khopeshes after burning a feat for them, but w/e. Point is, he'd have 2 less starting Con than your Dwarf.

Different races have different tradeoffs. Otherwise, why bother having different races?

[FuzzyDuck81]

This.

Just because the weapon is cultural to you, dosent mean you have training in it. I have been an army soldier for 6 years. That dosent mean I have anything more than a really basic idea (and I am counting what I saw on the history channel) about how to drive a tank or target and fire the main gun.

The Thompson Sub Machine gun is an Iconic American weapon, how many people in the United States (without training on it) can just pick it up, load it, and fire it?

Yeah, i'm english & dont have any skill at all in longbows

[CrushingInklings]

I can see not giving it to dwarf rogues @ the start but maybe they could add it to assassin 2 like they did for dwarf bard warchanter 2.

[CrushingInklings]

First... why are you necroing this thread? And making me further necro it by responding?

Second... perhaps you've missed something.

http://ddowiki.com/page/Rogue

Rogues always have Rapiers. Your Dwarven Rogue 20 can use Rapiers. Its not a racial thing, the class just... gets them.

And read the enhancements for Elves and Halflings. Only Elves get extra rapier damage - Halflings would do as much damage as a Dwarf. Actually less, since they are -2 Str at character creation.

So they don't *need* to do anything just because there's a part of the game you don't like. There are some classes/races that may have better synergy, because all classes and races are different. Sure, Elven Rogue 20 may be better Rapier damage. Truthfully, he probably does better damage with Khopeshes after burning a feat for them, but w/e. Point is, he'd have 2 less starting Con than your Dwarf.

Different races have different tradeoffs. Otherwise, why bother having different races?

Phirst) Responding to a thread that was last responded to less then a month ago is not necroing.

Bee) Halflings get so much extra racial damage for backstabs that the -2 str doesn't mater and they infact do A LOT more damage then dwarfs. If Dwarf rogues got Daxes for free they would still do less damage then a halfing using repairs in fights that lasted over a minute.

[babacadabra]

First... why are you necroing this thread? And making me further necro it by responding?

Second... perhaps you've missed something.

http://ddowiki.com/page/Rogue

Rogues always have Rapiers. Your Dwarven Rogue 20 can use Rapiers. Its not a racial thing, the class just... gets them.

And read the enhancements for Elves and Halflings. Only Elves get extra rapier damage - Halflings would do as much damage as a Dwarf. Actually less, since they are -2 Str at character creation.

So they don't *need* to do anything just because there's a part of the game you don't like. There are some classes/races that may have better synergy, because all classes and races are different. Sure, Elven Rogue 20 may be better Rapier damage. Truthfully, he probably does better damage with Khopeshes after burning a feat for them, but w/e. Point is, he'd have 2 less starting Con than your Dwarf.

Different races have different tradeoffs. Otherwise, why bother having different races?

Well i cannot make you do anything. you responding is on you. This thread is in suggestions, so it is a suggestion.

This game is very different now than it was years ago. for example racial toughness wasnt available for all the races a few years ago, i know dwarves got it possibly warforged. yes different races have trade offs. dwarves are tough. then why give drow a racial toughness, because they arent tough; or even halflings. maybe offer it to just classes that use a con as their action points. like you said different races have trade offs.

the point is rogues get some martial weapons already, and if a rogue is a dwarf i SUGGEST they let him have his axe as the class does possess some martial weapons. perhaps make it an action point for assassin , like they did with warchanter 2 granting bards a weapon of choice. Id say an assasin dwarf should be able to use a racial weapon. he is as assasin after all.

[CrushingInklings]

Correct, all dwarven WARRIORS...and they do get it now.

What's being done is consistant with PnP rules and there is no good reason to change it.

Sooooo much is not done by PnP rules in this game. That argument is laughable. Giving dwarf rogues the feat for free would put them closer to being on par with other races who play rogue. There really is no reason not to give it to them IMO. They still wouldn't be near the top in damage and certainly wouldn't make them overpowers like some others(not you) suggested. Giving them this feat would only open up more viable options at end game making it less static then it is. The fact that 99% of GOOD end game TWF toons are using Khopheses is boring. That alone should be good reason to change it.

[Noctus]

so let's say that a dwarf was raised as a cleric but he grown to love the art of war so he trained with weapons he should get the dwarven axes!

Like i always told my pen&paper group, You can have the nicest backstory in the world, but if you want relevant boni from it:
--> Take the multiclass level!
--> Take the feat!


No sobstory gonna give you freebies.