New Delera's Item Warning

[SneakThief]

I don't think a "Crafting Hall" zone is too unfeasible or improbable... Components remain only available during the holiday, but keep the altars themselves in a crafting hall. That way the level 16 monk can farm everything he needs except the token, make the handwraps, use them, and then upgrade them in a few weeks or whatever when he is able to farm an epic token.

Crafting Hall would have the original crafting altar, epic altar, ice games altar, and deleras crafting station, with room for more if any other events show up.

Or they could just stop making new alters for everything and use the normal crafting alters. There is not much chance that the Risia or Mabar recipes are going to overlap with something else. Then as long as you farmed the ingredients during the event, you could combine them whenever you wanted ...

[joneb1999]

I find it hard to believe epic is as simple and easy as some of you say and in fact there is much more to your version of simplicity, details mised out, whether it be +2 tomes on all your stats or even +4 / +3 whilst quaffing endless masses of mana pots from the store or using heal scrolls with millions of plat you have farmed for. Then ofcourse there is exploiting.

I am sorry if I offfend but in my experience of people who like to talk big it is often that there is something much more than meets the eye or if not they cant deliver with an audience.

[khaldan]

I find it hard to believe epic is as simple and easy as some of you say and in fact there is much more to your version of simplicity, details mised out, whether it be +2 tomes on all your stats or even +4 / +3 whilst quaffing endless masses of mana pots from the store or using heal scrolls with millions of plat you have farmed for. Then ofcourse there is exploiting.

I am sorry if I offfend but in my experience of people who like to talk big it is often that there is something much more than meets the eye or if not they cant deliver with an audience.

Unless it goes wrong, I've never seen more than half a stack of heal scrolls used in an epic. They're really not that bad, aside from a few.

[sirgog]

Unless it goes wrong, I've never seen more than half a stack of heal scrolls used in an epic. They're really not that bad, aside from a few.

There's four or five Epics I'd expect to use 100+ Heal scrolls in.

If you want to get some Epics completed, try the three flagging quests in the Red Fens. Last Stand is very easy (and the guy you have to keep alive has ~10000 hp so is easy to keep up, he's not going down short of a party wipe). Claw of Vulkoor is easy as long as you don't do the optional Giant Skeleton, and Fathom is easy to complete (although again, has a brutal and unrewarding optional).

VON1 and VON2 are a little tougher, but still easily beaten by PUGs every day of the week.

[Modinator0]

Or they could just stop making new alters for everything and use the normal crafting alters. There is not much chance that the Risia or Mabar recipes are going to overlap with something else. Then as long as you farmed the ingredients during the event, you could combine them whenever you wanted ...

Yeah that would be an acceptable option as well, though I'm not sure how much coding would be involved in modifying existing altars to that degree. Of course mabar has a different UI than the others, so they would also have to figure something out there... move everything to the new UI?

[MsEricka]

We're getting more gear, yay for us!
People are finding reasons to complain about it.
If you don't like it, then don't do the event.
If you can't handle epic on your failed toons, then reroll.
If your guild can't handle epic quests then get a new guild.
Seasonal crafting does not need to be here year-round, that's lame.

The whiners always come out when there's new gear, it's inevitable. I wonder with all the whining why they even play DDO? Seriously people, epics are not end-game, they simply require strategy and teamwork. The new gear is awesome and surpasses some rare raid loot in many cases and is simple to get.

Epic Big Top is a 5-10 minute epic with near 0% failure chance, assuming you can invis and jump.

Update 7 fixes that

there is much more to your version of simplicity

Enter quest, buff, run to an area, firewall and let caster take aggro, beat stuff up, repeat ad nauseum.

[Modinator0]

Seasonal crafting does not need to be here year-round, that's lame.

What, pray tell, is lame about it? If nothing else it would somewhat alleviate the server strain that happens during events. I could barely even successfully log in during the first ice games because people were in a mad rush to frost-icyburst all of their weapons before it ended... Plus the people that do have trouble getting on during events will get a chance to craft that they miss during the event. The only downside to a crafting hall is development time but come on, copy-paste a room, drop in a few activator items, link the door to someplace out of the way. (my suggestion for where would be to remove the epic altar from the twelve and put the entrance to the crafting hall there)

[TheDearLeader]

I find it hard to believe epic is as simple and easy as some of you say and in fact there is much more to your version of simplicity, details mised out, whether it be +2 tomes on all your stats or even +4 / +3 whilst quaffing endless masses of mana pots from the store or using heal scrolls with millions of plat you have farmed for. Then ofcourse there is exploiting.

I am sorry if I offfend but in my experience of people who like to talk big it is often that there is something much more than meets the eye or if not they cant deliver with an audience.

Okay...

• +2 Tomes? Sure. A few in some choice places.
• +3/+4 Tomes? I've got a Couple on my TR, yeah.
• SP Pots? Not normally necessary to quaff one, more less "Endless Masses".

Heal Scrolls? Millions of Plat? Perhaps we shop in different places.

• Guild Vendor with a Bard : like 9k for a 100 stack.
• Regular Vendor : 11-12k or something like that with the Bard, 14~15k with anyone else. For a stack of 100. That often last days, more less one of the simpler epic quests.

+2 Tomes in your class-focused stats shouldn't be too hard to get. They are in End Chests/End Rewards for all content pack Vale and up. They are found in the chests of Subterrane Rares, to include Garamol (Icy Runs). Sure, they're on the rare loot list, but you run enough non-epics, they're there.

I'm not trying to be a jerk here. But one token, from one of the simpler epic quests? Or even two epic quests, with the fragments that combine into one - neither of these should be hard to the point of not even attempting them.

[Therilith]

The new gear is awesome and surpasses some rare raid loot in many cases and is simple to get.

For a limited time only.

[mediocresurgeon]

I find it hard to believe epic is as simple and easy as some of you say and in fact there is much more to your version of simplicity, details mised out, whether it be +2 tomes on all your stats or even +4 / +3 whilst quaffing endless masses of mana pots from the store or using heal scrolls with millions of plat you have farmed for.

The best players are lazy players.

They know when to run instead of fight, how to take the shortest path through the quest, and how to work as a team to overcome the battles they are forced to participate in. They know the epic dungeons they are zerging through, and how the AI for every monster in the quest works. They know where to jump, where the traps are, and how to avoid them. They know how to listen, and they are observant enough to pay attention to what everyone else is doing while micro-managing their character, and they know how to learn from mistakes. The best players don't use mana potions if they can help it.

None of this has anything to do with how many tomes you've used, how many scrolls are in your inventory, and how many mana potions you can chug. It has everything to do with strategy, knowing your character, and knowing exactly what steps are required in order to get your token at the end.

Then of course there is exploiting.

People don't go post on the forums about how awesome they are at exploiting. This is for obvious reasons.

I am sorry if I offfend but in my experience of people who like to talk big it is often that there is something much more than meets the eye or if not they cant deliver with an audience.

If you want to improve your mastery of the game, I suggest watching some YouTube videos of how other people do things. I've been playing this game for 4 years and I still learn new things from watching others.

Here is a caster soloing one of the new epic quests in 7 minutes, getting all the chests. Enjoy!

[phalaeo]

I find it hard to believe epic is as simple and easy as some of you say and in fact there is much more to your version of simplicity, details mised out, whether it be +2 tomes on all your stats or even +4 / +3 whilst quaffing endless masses of mana pots from the store or using heal scrolls with millions of plat you have farmed for. Then ofcourse there is exploiting.

I am sorry if I offfend but in my experience of people who like to talk big it is often that there is something much more than meets the eye or if not they cant deliver with an audience.

Not all Epics are hard, and winning does not always mean exploiting. There are ways to legitimately use strategy to get to the end without huge resource consumption. Epic Big Top is a great example.

[TheDearLeader]

Not all Epics are hard, and winning does not always mean exploiting. There are ways to legitimately use strategy to get to the end without huge resource consumption. Epic Big Top is a great example.

Fixed in the next update. Apparently "Stuck Spots" is Dev code for "Oh man they found more jumpies!!"

Something I forgot to mention earlier, about the whole +3 +4 Tome thing.

My +3s are from 20th/40th end reward lists, the +4 is from Epic VON 6.

Meaning I was running the Epics well before I had the tomes. Having a +4 Tome is a (highly rare) reward for doing the Epics, it is not a given that the people easily doing Epics today already have said tomes.

[Nezichiend]

So you are telling me it is BS that you have to do something that is slightly challenging for a PuG to get a really really good item?

[TheDearLeader]

So you are telling me it is BS that you have to do something that is slightly challenging for a PuG to get a really really good item?

Some would argue that not all these items are "really really good".

But yes, essentially that seems to be the argument/complaint.

I'm personally happy to see myself use some of these...

[Diyon]

The majority of epic runs I complete are PUGs. I'll jump in a guild run epic every so often when I see them, for me, that ends up being once a month on average. The ones I run through out each week are PUGs.

[TheDearLeader]

The majority of epic runs I complete are PUGs. I'll jump in a guild run epic every so often when I see them, for me, that ends up being once a month on average. The ones I run through out each week are PUGs.

Of course you run Epics in Pugs. You're Khyber. How else would proper drama generation occur?

[Rumbaar]

Darn of all the capped toons I've got, last night was the first time I had ever run an Epic quest.

Looks like some pre-update work will be required so access to the temporary crafting services this event will bring.

[Darsith]

I really dont see the big issue with requiring an epic dungeon token. I was someone that used to think that epics were difficult, now they are challenging, but doable once I learned to use tactics again...

I can however see the concern of this being an extraordinarily limited crafting alter that may require players to farm in advance to unlock the full capabilities of some of these unique items.

[Modinator0]

Of course you run Epics in Pugs. You're Khyber. How else would proper drama generation occur?

rofl.. you know I'm from khyber and I almost never see epic pugs forming up, only epic I ever see is ADQ and thats just chest farming, not completion. Weird, really. The lfm panel is almost always 99% favor runs and normal-mode raids

[Diyon]

rofl.. you know I'm from khyber and I almost never see epic pugs forming up, only epic I ever see is ADQ and thats just chest farming, not completion. Weird, really. The lfm panel is almost always 99% favor runs and normal-mode raids

That's weird, I rarely see DQ epics, 1 or 2, but see other stuff pretty regularly. There's an epic last stand as I type this now.