Ac is out HP is in?

[BlackPlague]

Player: Hey you, what's your ac?

Player1gimpnon-contributingpartymember922: 45 why?

Player: Why are you using a tower shield if your ac is so low?

Player1gimpnon-contributingpartymember922: Lolz, what should it be at lvl 16?

Player: 55ish (....)

Player1gimpnon-contributingpartymember922: That's a lot of points spent on ac. I prefer hp.

Player: You wonder why you die so much in here? You're a manasponge. (something along those lines)

Player1gimpnon-contributingpartymember922: I die because no one's buffing and we're going too fast

Player3: ...

[Shiler]

What is this too fast hes talking about?
But at least he has hp right

[Bacab]

AC is a Fool's errand now (sadly)

DR and HP is where its at.

The baisic idea is "A good defense is a good offense".

If you kill the mobs before they can hurt you...your AC does not matter as much.

I consider offense=DPS and Crowd Control. If you can contribute to these...you are helping.

Trip/Improved Trip and Stunning Blow/fist is also crowd control.

[Templarion]

What I have understood, yes. HP is in.

Either you go all the way to ac or not at all.

In the beginning of the game ac has more meaning but the beginning of the game is also the quickest part of the journey from 1-20. After level 17 the leveling starts getting more problematic and thats where you probably spent most of your time.

This is not fundamental truth - only based on my experience.

[TheDearLeader]

Displacement is my best AC.

Also, what's a shield? Do I put at at the end of my Greataxe to make it swing harder?

[d4rkstars]

well, 45 at level 16 is very low for someone wearing a tower shield

the point is not to say AC is the only thing that matters - point is that if you are someone who invest in AC (as the tower shield wearing should imply) then you dont have enough


so he is basically right - either you have high AC - either you dont wear a tower shield (which lowers your dps a lot)

middle AC is totaly useless, there are many ways to avoid/reduce damages (as said in previous messages : displacement, blur DR, hit points, skill)


my lvl 15 melee, has 55+AC while TWF (and i dont have any stupid feat like two weapon blocking or dodge ...)

[Psyker]

If you are dieing the responsibility lies with YOU.

45 AC, while higher than average, is about the same as 10 AC at level 16 (enemies will hit on every swing except for a 1 whether you have 1 AC or 45AC at level 16), therefore rather than use a tower shield you need to use a two handed weapon or two weapon fighting so you can do more damage and kill them before they kill you.

One of the responses to why you are dieing is no one is buffing...what are you doing to buff? Do you have heroism, rage, or haste POTS? What about fire/acid/electric...resist? Do you have backup healing in case your healer gets killed or is not healing you enough?

Don't blame your party. Instead ask yourself "what should I be doing differently?"

[Bacab]

BTW...OP...Blackplague...

are you
Player1gimpnon-contributingpartymember922

*or*

Player

In this banter?

You for the 45 AC Tower Shield?

or Against it?

[TheDearLeader]

BTW...OP...Blackplague...

are you
Player1gimpnon-contributingpartymember922

*or*

Player

In this banter?

You for the 45 AC Tower Shield?

or Against it?

His toon is Xflash. WF Barb, Greataxe if I'm recalling correctly. Always welcome in any raid in Sarlona, as far as I know Him and I seem to spend a lot of time in EV6 on Base 1 together.

[d4rkstars]

would ask why a WF BARB (Oo) uses a tower shield and has 45 AC ....

if thats true then it makes it all clear lol .....

[Loceish]

I have to wonder how they are getting the opportunity to die that much in a quest. If I were healing, most likely they would have stopped receiving raises rather quickly. Now, another question, if he knows that his ac is not useful, then why is he using a tower shield? Is the tower shield his greater false life item? Is this a 10 con, high intim build?

Only shield I bother with is leviks for turtling. Other than that, there are a variety of more useful things I can put in my offhand. Hell, pretty sure a masterwork longsword would be more useful.

[Bacab]

I'm gonna guess he was trying to point out to "newer" players that AC is a fool's errand then.

I was explaining it to my g/f.

Here is what I said.

DEX=AC.
DEX=To hit if you use Weapon Finesse but your damage will be low.
Most people's HP suffer with "finesse builds" due to being spread too thin.
At low levels monsters have low "to hit" so your AC works.
At low levels monsters lack DR.
At high levels monsters never miss.
High level monsters hit really hard.
At high levels monsters have bajillions of HP and DR.

Here is what she said about pondering it for 5 seconds...
"Sounds like to me DEX builds rock at low and mid levels but will suck ballz at end game"

Why can't others get this? She has never played DnD or DDO or any MMORPG. But she came to this conclusion.

[TheDearLeader]

He does not use a tower shield. He is complaining about the Tower Shield user.

Unless you've figured out a way to wield a greataxe and tower shield at the same time. If so, share. I will make builds out of this

[d4rkstars]

i see i have seen it in the wrong way - he is the one complaining about a "random" tower shield user that has 45 AC at level 16 and die a lot in (probably easy) quest.

then i am sorry for my misunderstanding, my point is then his point

__________

i dont see what baccab's gf mean though this thread isnt about DEX or DEX based build (and DEX is also (mainly) reflex save for thoses idiots player who have evasion, so i am far from seconding her thoughts, with all due respest )

[JohnWarlock]

We're not supposed to say there is a special WF build, with an extra right arm to hold the greataxe two handed and still hold a tower shield.

Also depending how much you expose your human chars to the sludge in the abbott and teleporting to Amrath, back and forth, you can mutate your human as well :P

Or roll a halfling and put a Dwarven Axe on them, it looks just like a greataxe :P

[phalaeo]

HP=Good.

Unlike AC, every character can get decent, survivable HP- just tonight, my capped Cleric topped out at 529, unbuffed.



If a Cleric can do it, so can you.

Another funny SS from a recent Tempest's Spine, where the group was discussing who was going to "tank" Sor'jek based on who had the most HP...



I had the highest HP in the entire group... on my BARD.

Not sure exactly what side the OP is on, but I reiterate: HP = GOOD.

[Rasczak]

The OP isn't about ac vs hp, it's ac vs DR

But nowadays it seems it's good to have an ac in the high 40's low 50's and loads of DR if possible.

Then again in end game and epics it's not the base damage that hurts...it's the effects.

[Khanyth]

Also, what's a shield? Do I put at at the end of my Greataxe to make it swing harder?

I've been told that a shield is what they call your greataxe when it's turned sideways.

[Dragavon]

I did some Vale quests with a ranger in group back when the cap was 16. He was very proud of having 130HP at lvl 16, he even boasted about it in group. Repeatedly.

Until I told him I had a lvl 6 fighter with 146HP

[grodon9999]

Either you go all the way to ac or not at all.

Not true. You can minimally invest in AC right now and break 70 (With power-attack on) which is useful in 90% of the situations where AC actually works. I do agree that gimping your DPS completely for AC is silly.

If you're at 16 with 45 AC, drop the friggin shield.