The Can Opener - WF THF (12 Ftr, 6 Barb, 2 Rogue) with a Barb pastlife

[Talesin]

I'm looking to design a fighter based character that takes advantage of my barbarian past-life. As I already have a Min II greataxe, the Epic Antique Greataxe and one shard away from my eSoS so I'm looking to stay a THF character.

So far this is probably the most well rounded build I've designed. Kensai II and FB 1 for DPS that will be close to the top of the pact (with an eSoS), rogue for full trap skills, full UMD, a bit extra sneak damage and evasion (though I have my doubts about my reflex save being high enough to make it useful). As I'm sure some one will point out this build is heavily influenced by the Blitz build.

Please feel free to suggest any tweaks that could be made.

STATS:
STR = 64 [18 Starting (see below for the rest)]
DEX = 10 [10 Start]
CON = 44 [16 Start +3 (Tome), 6(Item) 3(Exc.), 2(Rage Spell), 2 (Yugoloth), 8(Rage), 4(Madstone)]
INT = 24 [16 Start + 2 (Tome)+6 item]
WIS = 12 [6 Start + 2 Tome +6 Item]
CHA = 8 [6 Start +2 Tome]

Feats and Level Progression

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Level 20 True Neutral Warforged Male
(12 Fighter \ 6 Barbarian \ 2 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 366
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 17
Reflex: 13
Will: 5

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(34 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             18                    27
Dexterity            10                    10
Constitution         16                    18
Intelligence         16                    18
Wisdom                6                     8
Charisma              6                     8

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

                 Feat/Enhancement
                  Modified Skills
Skills             (Level 20)
Balance                  5
Bluff                    1
Concentration            6
Diplomacy                1
Disable Device          27
Haggle                   3
Heal                    -1
Hide                     0
Intimidate               3
Jump                    18
Listen                  -1
Move Silently            0
Open Lock                4
Perform                 n/a
Repair                   8
Search                  27
Spot                    11
Swim                    12
Tumble                   4
Use Magic Device        22

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Haggle (+4)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Repair (+4)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Swim (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Barbarian
Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend I


Level 2 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Barbarian Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Warforged Great Weapon Aptitude I


Level 3 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Past Life: Berserker's Fury
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage I
Enhancement: Warforged Tactics I


Level 4 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I


Level 5 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Stunning Blow
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I


Level 6 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend II
Enhancement: Warforged Tactics II


Level 7 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack I
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) II
Enhancement: Warforged Power Attack I


Level 8 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II


Level 9 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I


Level 10 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Kensei Greataxe Mastery I


Level 11 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Greataxe Specialization I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II


Level 12 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Spot (+3)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Insightful Reflexes
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost III


Level 13 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Warforged Power Attack II
Enhancement: Warforged Great Weapon Aptitude II


Level 14 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Handed Fighting
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost IV


Level 15 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting
Enhancement: Warforged Great Weapon Aptitude III


Level 16 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Kensei Greataxe Mastery II
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei II
Enhancement: Warforged Power Attack III


Level 17 (Barbarian)
Skill: Disable Device (+1.5)
Skill: Search (+1.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage I


Level 18 (Barbarian)
Skill: Disable Device (+1.5)
Skill: Search (+1.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost II


Level 19 (Barbarian)
Skill: Disable Device (+1.5)
Skill: Search (+1.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack II


Level 20 (Barbarian)
Skill: Disable Device (+1.5)
Skill: Search (+1.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Frenzied Berserker I

STRENGTH:
Standing Strength:
18 - Starting
5 - level-ups
7 - Item
3 - exceptional
3 - tome
2 – Fighter Str II
Total 38

Rage:
4 - Barbarian Rage
2 – Barb Power Rage II
4 – Barb Past-life bonus (currently)
Total 10 (48 Cumulative)

Other easily Sustainable Buffs:
2 – Frenzy
8 – Power Surge
2 – Rage spell or potion
2 – Yugoloth potion
2 – 1x Madstone Boot buff
Total 16 (64 Cumulative)

Burst Strength:
2 – 2nd Madstone Buff
6 – Titan Gloves (or other psionic bonus)
2 – House D Alchemy potion
4 – 30 sec Barb Life extra rage
Total 14 (78 Cumulative)


ENHANCEMENTS:
80 total (Here is the tricky part)

Fighter Enhancements (34):
Ftr Attack Boost II (3)
Ftr Crit Accuracy II (3)
Kensai II (6)
Ftr Specific Weapon Specialization I (1)
Kensai Specific Weapon Mastery II (2)
Ftr Strength II (6)
Ftr Haste Boost IV (10)
Ftr Stunning Blow II (3)

Barbarian Enhancements (20):
Barb Power Attack II (3)
Barb Power Rage II (3)
Barb Damage Boost II (3)
Frenzied Berserker I (4)
Barb Sprint Boost I (1)
Extend Rage II (3)
Extra Rage II (3)

Rogue Enhancements (1):
Rogue Sneak Attack Training I (1)

WF Enhancements (25):
WF Power Attack III (6)
WF Healer’s Friend II (6)
WF Greater Weapon Aptitude III (6)
WF Tactics II (6)
WF Toughness I (1)


HIT POINTS:
20 Base
120 Fighter levels
72 Barbarian levels
12 Rogue levels
30 Passive Barb PL
340 Con
22 Toughness feat
45 Shroud item
10 Agent of Argo
30 GFL
20 Toughness item
20 Yugoloth pot
40 Madstone Boots
20 Rage Spell
Total 721 Unbuffed (801 with sustainable buffs)

STUNNING BLOW DC’s:
10 - Base
27 – Strength Mod (using sustainable buffs)
2 – Ftr Stunning Blow II
2 – Kensai II
2 – WF Tactics II
10 – Stunning Maul
Total 43 (53 when using Stunning Weapons)


My main questions with this build is:

A. Can I get a mid-30's reflex save to make evasion useful
B. How does the DPS of this build compare to a pure fighter (I want the fighter past-life)
C. Would I be able to get a high enough UMD to reliably use heal scrolls with a bit of item juggling? Currently the only +UMD item I have is the epic Big Top.

[Talesin]

reserved for future use

[Consumer]

Wait a bit longer and go Half Orc for better results.

[stockwizard5]

I have versions of this build that I have swapped around.

http://my.ddo.com/character/thelanis/maelsgang/

A. Can I get a mid-30's reflex save to make evasion useful

No - you are looking at 28 or so. I went dwarf (+4) and more DEX (+3) to get high enough.

B. How does the DPS of this build compare to a pure fighter (I want the fighter past-life)

Should beat a pure fighter in most situations.

C. Would I be able to get a high enough UMD to reliably use heal scrolls with a bit of item juggling?

Rage + Heal Scroll = Bad - Dont bother.

[Hanam]

My main questions with this build is:

A. Can I get a mid-30's reflex save to make evasion useful

Not with 10 starting dex you won't. Moar Dex! You can get a burst of +6 reflex if you use your Improved Uncanny Dodges (which you should)

B. How does the DPS of this build compare to a pure fighter (I want the fighter past-life)

Hard to say. No comment.

C. Would I be able to get a high enough UMD to reliably use heal scrolls with a bit of item juggling? Currently the only +UMD item I have is the epic Big Top.

Getting to 40+ UMD with items should be no problem provided you max your UMD ranks.

Items to get:
+6 Charisma skills greensteel item
Golden cartouche
Epic big top (which you have already)
Head of good fortune or epic item with +2 luck.
+6 charisma item (anything will do)

Reply in Red

[Talesin]

Wait a bit longer and go Half Orc for better results.

Indeed a half-orc version of this would be better but to say it's AP starved is an understandment! LOL
That being said I do have a Half-orc version of this build as well... better DPS but less skills and a bit less HPs

I'm doing the WF version mostly because it's going to take me a long time to save up enough TP to buy half-orc at the ridiculous 1295 TPs it's going to cost.

[Talesin]

BTW Does anyone with a good grasp on how to calculate DPS want to tell me whether this or a pure WF kensai fighter would have a higher DPS (Assuming both have a eSoS)?

[Consumer]

BTW Does anyone with a good grasp on how to calculate DPS want to tell me whether this or a pure WF kensai fighter would have a higher DPS (Assuming both have a eSoS)?

Using standard 5 minutes:

Fighter - 534
Can Opener with SA - 489
Can Opener without SA - 472

As it has FB I instead of Kensei III it does more damage against 50% and 100% fort targets.

Also when this split was originally put on the forums (by Monkey_Archer) it was called the Archon.

[Talesin]

Using standard 5 minutes:

Fighter - 534
Can Opener with SA - 489
Can Opener without SA - 472

As it has FB I instead of Kensei III it does more damage against 50% and 100% fort targets.

Also when this split was originally put on the forums (by Monkey_Archer) it was called the Archon.

Thanks for the breakdown Consumer

In regards to your latter comment... Yes this build is very similiar to the Archon and Blitz builds. The main difference is the extra intelligence that allows you to get full trapping skills and UMD with this build as well.

Besides it's VERY difficult to make a good build now-a-days that isn't similiar to something posted in the last 4+ years. LOL