Seriously?!

[Missing_Minds]

Op, as I stated in a different thread....

Nothing new there. Your bar is much bigger than theirs. It is called 'envy'.

[Nephilia]

Op, as I stated in a different thread....

Nothing new there. Your bar is much bigger than theirs. It is called 'envy'.

The worst envy a man could feel... XD

[Qezuzu]

Ive nothing against rogues and rogues played well are stellar characters.


But if i need DPS but also want that character to be able to take several hits... ima choose barb over rogue.


on average... barbs last longer then rogues when getting attacked.


its all about what the raid leader wanted... he wanted something that had more HPs


And somehow im thinking you where not as peachy and nice as your post suggests. Perhaps you got a little snippy because he said no... perhaps you suggested he doesnt know how to play? just thoughts

If anyone is dying during your shrouds, you're doing something wrong. And any class can get high HP. Arcanes get d4 HP, but they're not melee. Meaning the lowest HP melee class is rogue at d6.

120 HP
20 Heroic Durability
20 Minos
30 GFL
20 Rage pot
60 +6 CON
45 GS
80 CON mod (16 base +2 tome)
20 EXC CON

For 415 HP. Now more

10 Draconic
20 EXC Con +1 and +3 tome
10 Superior FL (Epic Necklace of Venom. Get it)
22 Toughness
20 Racial Toughness

For 497 HP. 537 for dwarves/WF (though they're rarer). That's not squishy. Barbarians can get 270 more HP than that when using Mighty rage and the same gear/base con. Oh well.

With madstone (I don't recommend TBH)

537 single
577 double
Yadda yadda

Rarer stuff

597 Litany and +4 tome

But in pt2 of the shroud when healers are running around and not available, Rogues can use heal scrolls. So it goes.

[Gunga]

Never trust a rogue. Don't do it.

[Dragavon]

This guy's CAPPED toon has 210 hit points, and he is calling ME squishy?! Are you friggin serious?! Oooh I SO wish I could post his name... how sad is it that even myddoing me would show my stats as being higher than his?

/rant

hmm, my ooman wizard had 200hp at lvl 10 I think

[Draccus]

Every rogue thinks he has better DPS than a barbarian, more survivability than Paladin, better buffs than a Bard, and can get every trap in the game while level drained, cursed, and using masterwork tools.

But the fact of the matter is that there are a LOT of horribly built, horribly equipped, horribly played rogues hanging out in Meridia with 280 hp and hoping the raid leader thinks his +1 Acid Rapier of Enfeebling is a MinII.

[jurzey]

I have never been turned down for a group except for when i fail to read the required classes.

you found one moron amongst many good leaders. Dont fret, some people just dont get it.

[Gorkulon]

I have alot more trouble getting a caster into shrouds than I do my 20 assassin. Most good leaders are perceptive enough to notice the better rogues. Sounds like this party leader you speak of would be a candidate for 1st to die on parts 2 and 4. Probably would blame the clerics and whine about insufficient buffs.

On one run a pally already in group made the declaration that a rogue was not needed in the shroud immediately after the pug leader accepted me. I got 14 kills to his 3 and he died quickly in part 4 and I didn't die at all. Sure enough a quick MYDDO showed his hp 100 less than mine and I only had 352 at the time.

If certain people don't recognise your talent it is their loss.