What makes a healer "uber"?

[Llewndyn]

The other night (not last night those guys were cool) I was in a shroud run and noticed the clerics were engaging in some, sadly more and more typical healer behavior: Not banging on portals, not really fighting all that much if at all, kinda talking about how uber they are and giving us the bidness about how much it is costing to keep us healed, telling us they will require donations for having to drink pots after the mission, just going about the whole thing with a misplaced sense of entitlement. This is not just something with the shroud, it's something that has become more and more prevalent throughout my storied career on this hallowed game.

At first I would meekly agree, since a lot of the time any argument led to me not getting healed, and there is a very thin line between a rogue leading the kill count because someone else has agro, and accidentally doing enough damage to get agro and not having a healer to back him up, and that line is a *ding* sound. I would quietly schlep along, standing where the cleric told me to, accepting the random berating of my character class and quietly accepting them barking orders at others, no one wishing to annoy them for fear that they will be ostracized from the gentle healing teets all healers possess (ugh, that conjured up some pictures I don't EVER wanna think about again), but I think it's time to put those crazy cats in their place. 95% of you healers are NOT uber players. UBER healers:

1. Can solo heal even non-optimal builds without whining
2. can go with the ebb and flow of battle and get buffs to who needs them (within reason, but making everyone stop what they are doing because you have decided "I shall now bestow my buffs on you wretched masses" is kinda lame)
3. Can contribute kill count
4. Are willing to get their hands dirty (portal bashing, trash mob pickup, etc.)
5. Realize the ALL classes expend resources and suck it up (Does the rogue ask for donations for thieves tools? Does the Caster ask for $$$ for spell components? Does the fighter ask for money to repair his items?)

I have played with uber healers before (one was a complete and total jerk about it but I give credit where credit is due) but not THAT many of them. If there are 3 healers in a raid and you wipe on the Chicken's first iteration, no that doesn't mean you suck but you are no longer to refer to yourself as UBER. If you have 2 healers in a raid 4 levels below you and run out of sp so often that the rogue and sorc have to break out wands to keep YOU alive and you still can't be bothered to fight, that doesn't mean you suck but you are not UBER.

WHat makes a healer uber for you?

[SaisMatters]

WHat makes a healer uber for you?

The Human Being behind the Toon!

[Lorz]

Healers are over rated.

[Frostwhisperer]

I prefer clerics and FvS above healers.

[Wizzly_Bear]

I prefer clerics and FvS above healers.

^this

[sirgog]

WHat makes a healer uber for you?

On the healing side:

Acceptable: Can soloheal Normal Shroud in a group that takes one pass to kill Harry
Solid: Can soloheal Elite Shroud in a group that takes two passes to kill Harry
Excellent: Can do the same without using mana potions
Uber: Can soloheal Epic DQ2 in a group that has four sets of Efreeti spawn and takes 60 sec to get Lailat to the platform

[Halock]

Attention span.

Edit: More of it the more uber.

[~jradnut]

I would gladly bare your children, lol, if only cuz nobody else can.

[mickey2toes]

hmmm...

I play a Fvs on orien. I have solo healed Shroud, all difficulties. I am a competant (spelled correctly?) "healer".

To me a Uber healer is one that does WHATEVER is required to get a completion. He knows how to be a team player.

When I started on this game a year ago, I was very fortunant to get into a great guild with a great healer, (Arnmugusson), and I learned from him and the others in the guild (Bap, RC, Cran, Pushr, and many others) how to be a TEAM player.

[Bacab]

hmmm...

To me a Uber healer is one that does WHATEVER is required to get a completion. He knows how to be a team player.
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I refuse to drink SP pots on Normal Shrouds.

I refuse to drink SP pots on any Non-Epic raid other than>>>

ToD
Abbot

[Bacab]

[QUOTE=Llewndyn;3313348]
double post

[Bacab]

5. Realize the ALL classes expend resources and suck it up (Does the rogue ask for donations for thieves tools? Does the Caster ask for $$$ for spell components? Does the fighter ask for money to repair his items?)


WHat makes a healer uber for you?

Understand...

1 SP pot off the AH=about 1000 Thief Tools

100 heal Scrolls=about 1000 Thief Tools

Clerics and Favored Souls have to repair items also...and sometimes our Scrolls/wands/Sp Pots get destroyed...

Also Clerics and Favored souls use spell components just like that Arcane...

So part number 5 really makes you like like you do not have much knowledge on what you are talking about.

Out of curiousity...what level is your highest healer? What is there class/level breakdown?

Also the reason some clerics/favored souls are arrogant...demographics...

You see...we are rare. DPS is not rare.

Also for most quests...we can solo. I do agree the arrogance needs to cease.

And I do agree many clerics/FVS suck (I am tired of carrying their soul stones and solo healing because they have 250 HP and eat a meteor swarm to the face and die in part 4)

But the main reason we ("healers") talk smack? Because you need us and we rarely need you.

[Llewndyn]

Understand...

1 SP pot off the AH=about 1000 Thief Tools

100 heal Scrolls=about 1000 Thief Tools

Clerics and Favored Souls have to repair items also...and sometimes our Scrolls/wands/Sp Pots get destroyed...

Also Clerics and Favored souls use spell components just like that Arcane...

So part number 5 really makes you like like you do not have much knowledge on what you are talking about.

Out of curiousity...what level is your highest healer? What is there class/level breakdown?

Also the reason some clerics/favored souls are arrogant...demographics...

You see...we are rare. DPS is not rare.

Also for most quests...we can solo. I do agree the arrogance needs to cease.

And I do agree many clerics/FVS suck (I am tired of carrying their soul stones and solo healing because they have 250 HP and eat a meteor swarm to the face and die in part 4)

But the main reason we ("healers") talk smack? Because you need us and we rarely need you.

And say that!

I will TOTALLY concede we need healers more than rogues, but just by virtue of a person becoming a healer does not and should not entitle them to special treatment is my point, I totally agree it sucks having to pay 1d(bodyparts) per potion, but you should know that coming in that those cost, and not assume the party owes you for that. I am a crappy healer, never gotten one past 9, have solo healed all at level or slightly higher up to that point (no raids), but does that knowledge mean I now cannot complain?

[Aranticus]

but I think it's time to put those crazy cats in their place. 95% of you healers are NOT uber players. UBER healers:

sure

1. Can solo heal even non-optimal builds without whining

i'll roll up a 6 con elf monk in windstance with no con, false life, minos, shroud elemental energy items and you need to heal me without whining

2. can go with the ebb and flow of battle and get buffs to who needs them (within reason, but making everyone stop what they are doing because you have decided "I shall now bestow my buffs on you wretched masses" is kinda lame)

yes i'll ask you for every buff you got

3. Can contribute kill count

no problem

4. Are willing to get their hands dirty (portal bashing, trash mob pickup, etc.)

that will greatly help since my elf monk will have 8 str

5. Realize the ALL classes expend resources and suck it up (Does the rogue ask for donations for thieves tools? Does the Caster ask for $$$ for spell components? Does the fighter ask for money to repair his items?)

precisely! how dare you ask me for donations!

[donfilibuster]

If mana pots are required for any quest to be successful then change your healer to one that does sp conservation.

On the shroud if the cleric will run out of sp when solo healing that's when you bring in two healers (or three).
It should last trough at least two rounds, if the fight takes more then the blame it's at the melees lack of dps.
Waves of Exhaustion can make a lot of difference and required when having squishy melees.

[Llewndyn]

sure



i'll roll up a 6 con elf monk in windstance with no con, false life, minos, shroud elemental energy items and you need to heal me without whining



yes i'll ask you for every buff you got



no problem



that will greatly help since my elf monk will have 8 str



precisely! how dare you ask me for donations!

I mean for normal players not you! Quit injecting your insidious "logic" and "thought" into my flame thread dangit!

[Missing_Minds]

WHat makes a healer uber for you?

The player being fun and respectful while being able to keep a party going. Yeap, to me personality plays a lot in granting the title of "uber".

[Shuleagh]

The other night (not last night those guys were cool) I was in a shroud run and noticed the clerics were engaging in some, sadly more and more typical healer behavior: Not banging on portals, not really fighting all that much if at all, kinda talking about how uber they are and giving us the bidness about how much it is costing to keep us healed, telling us they will require donations for having to drink pots after the mission, just going about the whole thing with a misplaced sense of entitlement. This is not just something with the shroud, it's something that has become more and more prevalent throughout my storied career on this hallowed game.

At first I would meekly agree, since a lot of the time any argument led to me not getting healed, and there is a very thin line between a rogue leading the kill count because someone else has agro, and accidentally doing enough damage to get agro and not having a healer to back him up, and that line is a *ding* sound. I would quietly schlep along, standing where the cleric told me to, accepting the random berating of my character class and quietly accepting them barking orders at others, no one wishing to annoy them for fear that they will be ostracized from the gentle healing teets all healers possess (ugh, that conjured up some pictures I don't EVER wanna think about again), but I think it's time to put those crazy cats in their place. 95% of you healers are NOT uber players. UBER healers:

1. Can solo heal even non-optimal builds without whining
2. can go with the ebb and flow of battle and get buffs to who needs them (within reason, but making everyone stop what they are doing because you have decided "I shall now bestow my buffs on you wretched masses" is kinda lame)
3. Can contribute kill count
4. Are willing to get their hands dirty (portal bashing, trash mob pickup, etc.)
5. Realize the ALL classes expend resources and suck it up (Does the rogue ask for donations for thieves tools? Does the Caster ask for $$$ for spell components? Does the fighter ask for money to repair his items?)

I have played with uber healers before (one was a complete and total jerk about it but I give credit where credit is due) but not THAT many of them. If there are 3 healers in a raid and you wipe on the Chicken's first iteration, no that doesn't mean you suck but you are no longer to refer to yourself as UBER. If you have 2 healers in a raid 4 levels below you and run out of sp so often that the rogue and sorc have to break out wands to keep YOU alive and you still can't be bothered to fight, that doesn't mean you suck but you are not UBER.

WHat makes a healer uber for you?

The whole donations and trash talking cleric bit has to be server specific, I've almost never run across it on Cannith. You don't have to meekly agree or put up with that nonsense though. If a cleric says something stupid call em out on it. Chances are everyone else in the party is thinking the exact same thing. Get someone else.

[rophez2]

Clerics need to stop whinning about using pots, roll up a FvS if you don't like to use pots. I cant remember the last time i had to use a pot in a raid on my FvS.

[Aranticus]

Clerics need to stop whinning about using pots, roll up a FvS if you don't like to use pots. I cant remember the last time i had to use a pot in a raid on my FvS.

my cleric has never required any pots, scrolls yes, for epics or hard/elite tod. if you have to roll up a fvs just so you would not have pot usage, it really says alot about either the people you run with or your skills

ps: new players may not have the favor or money to roll up a fvs