Breaking down old green steel

[Hendrik]

EH? Devs care to respond?

They already did and the stance has not changed; no plans for deconstruction at this time.

[Khanyth]

Nor should they ever.

thank you dev's, for not easy buttoning GSteel

[krud]

Nor should they ever.

thank you dev's, for not easy buttoning GSteel

kinda like the respec easy button? oh wait... they gave us that... nm.

[Meloncholy]

Don't want them to be unbound.... That'd just be silly..... Just want them to have to ability to be deconstructed for even partial ingredient return.

[sirgog]

Nor should they ever.

thank you dev's, for not easy buttoning GSteel

/facepalm

If you don't know what an easy button is, don't use the term.

Greensteel items are currently a reward for beating the Shroud on Normal. If deconstruction is added - Greensteel items will remain a reward for beating... the Shroud on Normal.


The real easy button is the way you can make the same progress toward Greensteel items on Normal as you can on Hard and Elite.

[Khanyth]

The real easy button is the way you can make the same progress toward Greensteel items on Normal as you can on Hard and Elite.

... just like how some raid loots drops on normal as it would on elite? Should all raid loot only drop on hard or elite?

But I do agree... if you run shroud on normal, then only small mats should drop... and if you run it on elite, then only large mats should drop.

Green steel is awesome and should not be deconstructed in any way, shape, or form. Deconstructing a green steel item because its effects are no longer prefered, to me, is easy buttoning the concept of it all. Most vets that I know don't have this problem and generally have mats to spare to make the process easier each and every time they run shroud.

[Dragion]

The only way this would be implemented, in my opinion, is if they could profit from it at the ddo store. Selling a token type item or something for a price would make them money and the players happy, depending on the store price. Otherwise, they would probably not bother with it, but the good side is that any trial of this would most likely be undeniably successful. So, if you see any testing of this, get it while you can because when they have verified how much money they can make, the price will probably go up shortly thereafter. Just my opinion, take it as you will.

[Sirea]

... just like how some raid loots drops on normal as it would on elite? Should all raid loot only drop on hard or elite?

But I do agree... if you run shroud on normal, then only small mats should drop... and if you run it on elite, then only large mats should drop.

Green steel is awesome and should not be deconstructed in any way, shape, or form. Deconstructing a green steel item because its effects are no longer prefered, to me, is easy buttoning the concept of it all. Most vets that I know don't have this problem and generally have mats to spare to make the process easier each and every time they run shroud.

So, let me get this straight...you don't want "easy buttons" when it comes to greensteel, yet earlier in the thread you weren't at all opposed to making greensteel unbound, which could essentially make it one big easy button for people to be able to buy greensteel or equip new toons without even stepping foot in Shroud:

I don't know if it would work, but perhaps there can be a crafting option that will change the BTC/A that a greensteel item has, allowing it to be sold on the AH.... one person's junk is another's joy. Or instead of a crafting option, much like the cleansing item that allows you to wear more than one GS item, have an item that will remove the BTA/C to make it sellable.

Even in my groggy, up-at-7:30-in-the-morning state, that seems a bit hypocritical to me.

[Dragion]

Also, it would help the ddo economy regarding fair ingrEEdient pricing, to help facilitate crafting with new base players, which, in turn, they will eventually want to purchase ddo points to deconstruct their greensteel items. This helps for accommidating newly acquired gear.

[Pfold]

They probably would see an better increase in terms of items/races/class sold through the store just implementing it. Personally I'm too lazy to tr into something that would require an entire different gs gear set. I might as well go the full nine and start another character entirely.

If the main concern is the reduction of the grind (time sink) for materials, well, just have the shards and/or cells consumed in the process. That seems reasonable.

[Dragavon]

/facepalm

If you don't know what an easy button is, don't use the term.

Greensteel items are currently a reward for beating the Shroud on Normal. If deconstruction is added - Greensteel items will remain a reward for beating... the Shroud on Normal.


The real easy button is the way you can make the same progress toward Greensteel items on Normal as you can on Hard and Elite.

Now that is an idea!

Change it so small ingreds is the only thing that drops on normal, but from every chest.

Medium ingreds should only drop on hard.

And lagre ingreds only on elite. Now that would be cool

[Lorz]

If you don't continue to update you equipment for the latest and greatest new stuff that comes out for your build you will continue to gimp your toon more and more.

What a joke.

How exactly do you think GS weapons are being gimped? They still do exactly what they always did and best of all have not been gimped. If you think that...I think we all know where the gimping is....look inward and you will find it.

Min IIs are still as good as ever and same with all others. You just want an easy button but if you could use search you will find the devs have been asked and answered NO. Obviously you don't understand that word..NO.

/not signed not needed only allows poor players to learn nothing. School of hard knocks beats the sense into you...some require more beating than others.

// ingredients are easier than ever to get but lame players still have to come ask for lame easy buttons. Just go farm more ingredients. Ya really.

[Alternative]

Perhaps because they want you to buy other adventure packs as well?

This. As a premium account I'm not bothered with lowbie packs like sentinels or carnival because I want to save myself the headaches of grinding new greensteel stuff. It's not about adding the easy button, it's about making GS grind less resembling coal mining. Shroud was pretty fun first 100 times, but not anymore.

[Cianos_Fanas]

/signed

[Pfold]

What a joke.

How exactly do you think GS weapons are being gimped? They still do exactly what they always did and best of all have not been gimped. If you think that...I think we all know where the gimping is....look inward and you will find it.

Min IIs are still as good as ever and same with all others. You just want an easy button but if you could use search you will find the devs have been asked and answered NO. Obviously you don't understand that word..NO.

/not signed not needed only allows poor players to learn nothing. School of hard knocks beats the sense into you...some require more beating than others.

// ingredients are easier than ever to get but lame players still have to come ask for lame easy buttons. Just go farm more ingredients. Ya really.

I don't think they directly referred to GS items themselves being gimped. They were probably thinking of moving a GS item from one slot to another to accommodate a newly released item.

Besides, if it doesn't happen (deconstruction that is) the only directly profitable resolution would be to straight up sell all materials in the store (you know, the 'easy button'). Think it won't happen?

[lumes]

mmmm

1) deconstructing would be useful as well for respec'n lvl 20's...most suggested suggested variations had some sense

2) agree that crafted gs not bound would be an ill for the economy

3) Now as for this "easy button" that keeps getting referenced...I don't quite understand. GS is easy. Takes effort and time? Yes. However, there is little challenge at all.

4) small - normal / large - elite...this would add some challenge but not alleviate grind

so with all that being said:

deconstruction to reduce mindless farming? /signed (this is not eq yo)

changing the loot tables for the various difficulties? /signed