need help with a concept build

[kartos]

well I really like the Idea of a warforged wielding a bastard sword and shield and using THF(for extra hits) but TBH non of the classes seems fitting to the Idea...I can't see a warforged as a divine class so that cancels paladin,FVS and cleric.... I can't Imagine a warforged caster with a shield nor I can imagine him as a monk or bard so bye bye to those classes...I also can't imagine him as a ranger or rouge and certainly not barbarian (barbarian with a shield ***?) and warrior seems weird so what do you suggest?

[Visty]

why is fighter weird?
it seems its exactly what you want

[kartos]

because when I think of a fighter using a shield a dwarfish defender pops to mind not a kensai shield using warforged

[unbongwah]

Yeah, sounds to me like you're down to fighter by process of elimination. Maybe a DPS tank?

[Baahb3]

because when I think of a fighter using a shield a dwarfish defender pops to mind not a kensai shield using warforged

Well two things in there are a little off, kensai and shield.

Most if not all the Kensai that I know are built for damage purposes with little or moderate AC. You gain more benefits from both str and the Kensai class if you either go TWF or with a 2 handed weapon, not just a weapon that gains THF feat benefits.

I think you would be too middle of the road on both accounts if you went with a 1 handed kensai build, not good enough dps and not good enough AC. IMHO.

[crazy7381]

Thats the problem then you are attached to what use to be not what is now... ie the dwarve is commonly seen as the fighter the barb the all around pain in the arse (Lord of the Rings anyone)... but now through ddo magic they have added the race warforged a sword wielding construct... maybe if you try to picture it in a futuresque sense it may be more appealing. IE robocop meets heman gets you warforged.

Quazicotl lev 13 rogue.

[kartos]

Well two things in there are a little off, kensai and shield.

Most if not all the Kensai that I know are built for damage purposes with little or moderate AC. You gain more benefits from both str and the Kensai class if you either go TWF or with a 2 handed weapon, not just a weapon that gains THF feat benefits.

I think you would be too middle of the road on both accounts if you went with a 1 handed kensai build, not good enough dps and not good enough AC. IMHO.

ya but I was planning to be a damage dealer with this build... I wish my imagination would be attracted to something that actually fits in the game...

Thats the problem then you are attached to what use to be not what is now... ie the dwarve is commonly seen as the fighter the barb the all around pain in the arse (Lord of the Rings anyone)... but now through ddo magic they have added the race warforged a sword wielding construct... maybe if you try to picture it in a futuresque sense it may be more appealing. IE robocop meets heman gets you warforged.

Quazicotl lev 13 rogue.

I'm pretty sure the dwarf in LOTR(I think the name was gimli) was a pretty much fighter kensai and not defender but I do get your point ty

Yeah, sounds to me like you're down to fighter by process of elimination. Maybe a DPS tank?

the dude is meant for DPS(I know weird)

[Visty]

the dude is meant for DPS(I know weird)

then why all the talk about shields?

[Calebro]

The warforged are a race of living constructs created by House Cannith to serve as soldiers in the Last War.

They were created to be Fighters and/or Barbarians.


The Lord of Blades (the WF diety) isn't really a God. He's another Warforged that is revered to such a degree that they consider him their philosophical and worldly leader. Many Warforged speak of him as a diety, and thus Paladin becomes an obvious choice.

Do a little Googling and you'll quickly see that if you really wanted to do what's "fitting" then any melee class is applicable. Sure, WF can become anything that they want, but the melee classes are the most apt, as they were designed specifically to fight the Last War.

[unbongwah]

the dude is meant for DPS(I know weird)

You want DPS, you go THF or TWF; S&B is for tanking (or gimp builds ).

Here's a simple example of a WF THF tank w/bastard swords. It starts out as a DPS build, then shifts into tanking. Uses greatswords (+PA) for DPS (or whatever's the best 2H slasher you've got), BSwords & tower shield (+CE) for tanking. Its Intim won't be that great; it relies more on hate-tanking. Should be able to hit good AC too.

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Level 20 Lawful Good Warforged Female
(20 Fighter) 
Hit Points: 402
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 20\20\25\30\30
Fortitude: 18
Reflex: 7
Will: 6

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             18                    28
Dexterity            11                    13
Constitution         18                    22
Intelligence         11                    13
Wisdom                6                     8
Charisma              6                     8

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

Level 1 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Adamantine Body
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Handed Fighting


Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 3 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 4 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons


Level 5 (Fighter)


Level 6 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Bastard Sword
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Handed Fighting


Level 7 (Fighter)


Level 8 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 10 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Combat Expertise


Level 11 (Fighter)


Level 12 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Handed Fighting
Feat: (Selected) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons


Level 13 (Fighter)


Level 14 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Bullheaded


Level 16 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Superior Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 17 (Fighter)


Level 18 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Trip
Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Intimidate


Level 19 (Fighter)


Level 20 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Dodge
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Class Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Class Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Class Boost III
Enhancement: Fighter Weapon Alacrity
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Mastery II
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Mastery III
Enhancement: Fighter Stalwart Defender I
Enhancement: Fighter Stalwart Defender II
Enhancement: Fighter Stalwart Defender III
Enhancement: Fighter Bastard Sword Specialization I
Enhancement: Fighter Bastard Sword Specialization II
Enhancement: Fighter Greatsword Specialization I
Enhancement: Fighter Greatsword Specialization II
Enhancement: Fighter Item Defense I
Enhancement: Fighter Item Defense II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Fighter Intimidate I
Enhancement: Fighter Intimidate II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength III
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II
Enhancement: Warforged Brute Fighting I
Enhancement: Warforged Brute Fighting II
Enhancement: Warforged Brute Fighting III
Enhancement: Warforged Constitution I
Enhancement: Warforged Constitution II
Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend I
Enhancement: Warforged Power Attack I
Enhancement: Warforged Power Attack II
Enhancement: Warforged Power Attack III
Enhancement: Warforged Tactics I

[Entelech]

Okay...

If you're dead set on using a shield, you aren't going to be much good for DPS. It's that simple. You might be an excellent tank, or you might be weak DPS, or both, or you might be a wonderful caster, but you really need both hands to dish out "real DPS". And you need feats supporting the offensive mode you pick.

That's just the way it works.

Bastard Sword may get glancing blows, but it has a lousy crit profile, and it doesn't get the multiplier effect on your Strength bonus that a two-handed weapon does. It doesn't let you double-dip on Power Attack, either.


There *are* successful Bastard Sword and Shield Warforged build strategies out there. It's just that none of them are purebred DPS builds. An Intimitank can work well, as can several Battle Caster variants, even arcane ones if the shield you pick has low or no Arcane Spell Failure (Mithril and Twilight are good options).

[kartos]

thanks to all of you especially for unbongwah for taking the time to create a build but again it's a concept build if I wanted to make a min max build I would have created 1 already (actually I have several min max builds) at the end I decided to go with a kensai 20 fighter and see what happens

[mournbladereigns]

thanks to all of you especially for unbongwah for taking the time to create a build but again it's a concept build if I wanted to make a min max build I would have created 1 already (actually I have several min max builds) at the end I decided to go with a kensai 20 fighter and see what happens

I know its not quite what your looking for but I have a good S&B Intimitank/TWF DPS generalist build based around Bastard Sword. Build is Human 18ftr/2bard. I went Stalwart Defender III, and took full TWF and full THF line and Greater weap focus/Specialization and Mastery enhancement, IC:Slashing, and Power Attack (So its still very solid TWF DPS). Plus shield mastery & least dragonmark of sentinel, max Intimidate, max UMD, and a 20 perform (Fascinate works on your perform skill +d20, so its effective CC option even with a splash, plus you get a minor bard buff, and UMD as class skill.)

With change to THF glancing damage, thiis will be an effective build in S&B/Intimidate mode (50% glancing with 9% magical effects chance) and can switch to Dual bastard sword for DPS (which is still pretty good, yo).

So perhaps a variation of that build would work for you.