Devs: Will we ever fight the Grand Dukes of Hell?

[dejafu]

We should have a quest on top of the tarrasque

Well, according the the Xen'drik book, the tarrasque IS supposed to be sleeping somewhere beneath the same continent that Stormreach is on

I've always been partial to the idea of a raid where the tarrasque is charging in the city, and the raid group has to stop it before it makes its way across the Cerulean hills, devouring level 5 orcs and bugbears along the way

[KKDragonLord]

I see the problem here. It's not that the source you linked is bad, it's that you either haven't read it or did not comprehend it. At no point does your source ever mention the Raven Queen.

That was precisely what I said.
If you dont even know who linked what, its going to be difficult to get to the point

[Entelech]

YOU mentioned the Raven Queen. AND the Lady of Pain.

[ArkoHighStar]

please no more devils for at least a while

[Boromirs]

The Raven Queen is part of Eberron lore apparently in 4E. The Lady of Pain spans all universes along all campaign worlds, at least, this is whats implied by 4E by Wizard's attempt to meld all the campaign worlds together in a single cohesive multiverse (which is similar to many comic book multiverses, like Marvel and DC, probably makes for better product synergy).

[flynnjsw]

The Raven Queen is part of Eberron lore apparently in 4E. The Lady of Pain spans all universes along all campaign worlds, at least, this is whats implied by 4E by Wizard's attempt to meld all the campaign worlds together in a single cohesive multiverse (which is similar to many comic book multiverses, like Marvel and DC, probably makes for better product synergy).

No, it means Wizards (aka Hasbro) is getting desperate to make more money.

[Boromirs]

No, it means Wizards (aka Hasbro) is getting desperate to make more money.

Yeh, thats why I said 'product synergy', code for it's about more money...which is fine. I mean as a DM you can just say these other worlds dont exist...although in 'official' lore they all can be travelled to and fro by extremely powerful PCs.

[AyumiAmakusa]

Read by a dev.

Keep this up and you'll be on my 'Cool Devs' list. Right below Keeper and MadFloyd.

[Frostwhisperer]

I'd prefer going to the lord of blades. Might be a problem for bladessworn WF out there tough

[Odin's_Hugin]

Now while I will admit that any new content done well is a good thing, I just have to remember a thing or two about DDO.

Shroud was released, we ran that content constantly. For months. And months. And then some more months. Primary foes: devils.

After some time we got a new mod. The sub. Main enemies: devils.

They did not release any content for 8 months. So we got to fight devils. And then the same devils. Again. And again. For 8 months.

Finally we did get some more content, What was it?
Devils. Again.

I have to admit, I am relly sick of fighting devils right now....

My 40+ dc Dismissal and soon-to-be Tomb of Jade arent complaining...

[TiranBlade]

Heh, this is one thing I HATE to bring up but if you read the information regarding the plane of shadows, any Universe that contains a plane of shadow is connected to any other that has a plane of shadow, apparently according to the 3.5 DMG, that you can travel to any of the infinate amount of multi-verses with planes of shadow through the one existing "Plane of Shadow."

[Entelech]

Fortunately, Eberron totally lacks a Plane of Shadow.

We have Mabar. Not the same thing. Please drive through.

[Phoenicis]

Fortunately, Eberron totally lacks a Plane of Shadow.

We have Mabar. Not the same thing. Please drive through.

From the DDO compendium:

Shadow Walk
Cooldown: 5 seconds
Spell Point Cost:
Target: Self
Level:
5 (Bard)
6 (Sorcerer, Wizard)
Components: Somatic, Verbal
School: Illusion
Metamagic: Extend, Quicken
Spell Resistance: No
Transports you to the edge of the Material Plane where it borders the Plane of Shadow. While this spell is active, you move much faster than normal and your outline appears faint and you are harder to hit. Attacking another creature or otherwise interacting with objects shunts you back to the Material Plane.

What was that again?

[Diyon]

From the DDO compendium:

Shadow Walk
Cooldown: 5 seconds
Spell Point Cost:
Target: Self
Level:
5 (Bard)
6 (Sorcerer, Wizard)
Components: Somatic, Verbal
School: Illusion
Metamagic: Extend, Quicken
Spell Resistance: No
Transports you to the edge of the Material Plane where it borders the Plane of Shadow. While this spell is active, you move much faster than normal and your outline appears faint and you are harder to hit. Attacking another creature or otherwise interacting with objects shunts you back to the Material Plane.

What was that again?

The plane of shadow isn't a separate world though, like the ethereal plane (which ghosts and such are fully present in), it is more of another dimension of the the material plane (or whatever other plane I suppose).

[Primalhowl]

Semantics.

I'd also point out that spell descriptions are pretty generic and very rarely have customized text for a specific setting (unless the spell was developed SPECIFICALLY for that setting).

As the shadow walk spell is a generic spell, why would you expect it to be modified for Eberron in general, or DDO in specific?

[Wren666]

Pitching in with my related idea of a new Quest Type:

I love the Devil Battlefield Pack. The whole ambience (both visual and the implied, and the music) of Amrath and Shavarath (even though the in-quest environments themselves are a bit mundane, looking like drab interiors of some alien spaceship.)

IMO, the Inspired Quarter and Dreaming Dark Packs were like taking a step back, after having been to the Battlefield (nevermind the complete lack whatsoever of any new monster models.)


Anyway, a new Pack set in one of the other zones of Shavarath would be awesome; the Archon- or Demon-controlled territories that you can see from Amrath. The Demon-side would have a better chance of being introduced first, or at all, since the Archons probably can't present much of an antagonist.

With the Demons being Chaotic Evil, I hope the quests set in their turf can effectively portray some sense of that sheer chaos, and here's my take on what could work nicely:

• A new Wilderness Zone, looking maybe like a cross between the Devil Battlefield and the Ruins of Gianthold.
• The main difference between the Demon Battlefield and other Wildernesses would be mobs respawning during the instance, and organized into 3 factions; the Demons, Devils and Archons, each battling between themselves at random spots on the map, with the D's attacking you on sight as well of course.
• That Wilderness would be the locale for all quests on the Demon-side, not simply a stepping stone on the way to them; the quests will take place IN the Wilderness.
• Once you acquire a Quest, you'll get additional objectives alongside the usual Slayer/Exploration/Rare-Encounters. Those objectives could be like, Defend N Archon Generals within M minutes, and you'd run around the huge Wilderness, looking for any A vs. D battles and helping the good guys out.
• So basically, to complete those quests, you might need a full party of self-sufficient Level 20s, each spreading out on their own on a huge map in order to meet the objectives in time, with a war going on around them.

Sounds like fun? I hope so! cause I for one would love some like that (especially when playing it with a gamepad, as I sometimes try with the other Wildernesses, feels kind of like an arcade-game. Please don't hate me for that.)

What do you think? ^^


P.S. oh and new monsters too, please! VROCKS ROCK! (are they in Eberron?)

[Cetus]

As I'm learning how all of these seemingly discrete story lines adhere to one another through the posts in this thread, one question: Where do Archons come into the story with the plane of shavarath and amrath? They have been mentioned in text and even a few dead ones were shown, but the story never took us deeper.

[Phoenicis]

Really? Then how DOES the shadow walk spell (and feat) function?

Does it put you partially on the plane of Mabar? Eww, not sure I wanna go there.

Astral or Etherial plane? Oh, wait, there are already spells that specifically do that.

My point was that Entelech was completely dismissive of the plane of shadow even existing on Eberron, yet there are spells and feats that specifically reference it in DDO.

IMHO if the spell says it puts you partially on the plane of shadow either a) it does that thus establishing the existence of said plane or b) it should fail to operate.

I don't see a third option in this particular case...

[die]

Heh, this is one thing I HATE to bring up but if you read the information regarding the plane of shadows, any Universe that contains a plane of shadow is connected to any other that has a plane of shadow, apparently according to the 3.5 DMG, that you can travel to any of the infinate amount of multi-verses with planes of shadow through the one existing "Plane of Shadow."

+1/ yes just like in our own universe, thier are so many -[worlds] -we cant even begin too imagine , so why not have infinite possibilitys in a fantasy game. makes sense to me.. ty and have a nice day

[Entelech]

Really? Then how DOES the shadow walk spell (and feat) function?

Does it put you partially on the plane of Mabar? Eww, not sure I wanna go there.

Astral or Etherial plane? Oh, wait, there are already spells that specifically do that.

My point was that Entelech was completely dismissive of the plane of shadow even existing on Eberron, yet there are spells and feats that specifically reference it in DDO.

IMHO if the spell says it puts you partially on the plane of shadow either a) it does that thus establishing the existence of said plane or b) it should fail to operate.

I don't see a third option in this particular case...

Not really. I'm completely dismissive of the argument that the Plane of Shadow means we have to introduce Elminster, the Lady of Pain, Drizz't do'Emo and Vecna to the Eberron setting.

The Eberron cosmology is CLEARLY not intended to intersect at all with the 'default' AD&D cosmology.

So, whether you regard Shadow Walk as pushing you into the edge of Mabar or into some as-yet-unidentified chunk of the near-ethereal, there IS no "Plane of Shadow" as defined in the 3.X core cosmology. Or, at least, it does not allow for genre-hopping as a core rules mechanic. And any attempt to argue that "Because a spell description says X, I WANT TO HAVE SEX WITH MYSTRA" is foolish in the extreme.

(Sorry. That particular aspect of the Forgotten Realms is a pet peeve of mine.)

Eberron has its' own pantheon. No official WotC material has *ever* introduced gods or characters from Sigil, Ravenloft, Dragonlance, Greyhawk, Dark Sun, or Spelljammer to the setting. And I'm pretty sure there's no Blackmoor or Gamma World deities kicking around, either.

I don't CARE where you go when you Shadow Walk, as long as it's AWAY.