To all the people complaining about ToD

[elraido]

Hmm what does it say between this post and having the only char in your sig being a lv 20 pally?

Hey now! I also have a 18/2 pally rogue. Wait...I am digging myself deeper here, aren't I?

[Trillea]

Hey now! I also have a 18/2 pally rogue. Wait...I am digging myself deeper here, aren't I?

LOL! Yep!

...+1!

[Goldenadult79]

Hmm what does it say between this post and having the only char in your sig being a lv 20 pally?

That this thread is mostly about the OP getting some attention?
Theres already 4 or 5 theads about this. he didn't need to make another. Unless for some reason he thought his words and thoughts would be so inspiring as to make everyone feel better. as far as I'm concerned at this point, the whole thread is a cry for attention.

[elraido]

Whining/complaining are words to used to pigeon hole everyone who dissagree's into one category instead of taking on the merit of their arguments. We currently refer to this practice as flamming.

But we also have a history to go by with what Turbine does. They will nerf stuff. It has happened. It will happen again. Nothing has ever changed with when people go off the deep end like this reguarding these nerfs. All the peoples "destroyed" builds either moved on just fine, were deleted, or now reincarnated. That is why I was telling all the nerds out there to just breath. It will be alright. They will just have to wait and see and not get all worked up about it. These things have happened before and the same result always happens. nerd rage nerd rage nerd rage. Mod launches. Week later every one is alright and moves on.

[elraido]

LOL! Yep!

...+1!

What can I say, I like my main a lot. Have been playing him since a little after launch. He was gimp as can be, but you know what...he managed to be just fine with all the changes turbine as made. That is why I am talking with experience reguarding all the nerfs. I also have a 20 fvs, the 18/2 paladin rogue, 11/2 wis/rogue, 17 ranger. and numberous guys between 4-11....so I don't just play one guy all the time. I do dabble around. That sounds wrong, I mean I play more than one guy. I mean, not all of them are guys...there is a girl in there as well.

[Goldenadult79]

But we also have a history to go by with what Turbine does. They will nerf stuff. It has happened. It will happen again. Nothing has ever changed with when people go off the deep end like this reguarding these nerfs. All the peoples "destroyed" builds either moved on just fine, were deleted, or now reincarnated. That is why I was telling all the nerds out there to just breath. It will be alright. They will just have to wait and see and not get all worked up about it. These things have happened before and the same result always happens. nerd rage nerd rage nerd rage. Mod launches. Week later every one is alright and moves on.

you're right, we should just all accept it never, fight back, never voice our complaints and just sit back, shut up and let them take control over our money and game. People we are paying to create a game should just be given a free reign to do as they please. Good argument. Dont you wish the guys signing the Declaration of Independence listened to this?

Thanks for insulting everyone with a complaint and calling them Nerd ragers. Good move. Lower your credibility some by demeaning others.

[Doctahg]

We really need to have a big forum NERF..noone who doesn't have a specific toon..say a monk..can write post after post telling all of us that do have endgame...endgame ones besides...monks...that it is overpowered and what's wrong with it and how to fix it. Never seen such ignorance from people in my life. *Well my Smite doesn't do 500 damage so TOD is overpowered!* I'm so glad they nerfed it ! WAH WAH WAH...It does 2500 points of damge in 30 seconds or less!!! SURE IT DOES!!! LOTS OF TIME!! I'm still waiting...

[Trillea]

I do dabble around. That sounds wrong, I mean I play more than one guy. I mean, not all of them are guys...there is a girl in there as well.

Just keep digging..

[elraido]

you're right, we should just all accept it never, fight back, never voice our complaints and just sit back, shut up and let them take control over our money and game. People we are paying to create a game should just be given a free reign to do as they please. Good argument. Dont you wish the guys signing the Declaration of Independence listened to this?

Thanks for insulting everyone with a complaint and calling them Nerd ragers. Good move. Lower your credibility some by demeaning others.

It is knowing about when to pick a fight and when not to. This isn't one you are going to win with them. Plain and simple. Like I said, how many of the other major nerf's have the dev's changed? And if you don't want to pay to play, go free to play. Don't give them your money. You don't need to give them a cent to play this game. Also, if you don't like it, leave. Plain and simple.

So you are saying people aren't over reacting a bit when a nerf hits? Everyone is calm as a cucumber and don't react in fear over nothing?

[Goldenadult79]

It is knowing about when to pick a fight and when not to. This isn't one you are going to win with them. Plain and simple. Like I said, how many of the other major nerf's have the dev's changed? And if you don't want to pay to play, go free to play. Don't give them your money. You don't need to give them a cent to play this game. Also, if you don't like it, leave. Plain and simple.

So you are saying people aren't over reacting a bit when a nerf hits? Everyone is calm as a cucumber and don't react in fear over nothing?

If you don't like reading people complain about a change they don't like, Leave, plain and simple.
What you don't do when you are tired of hearing people complain is create yet another thread.
Thats just the work of someone seeking attention.

[Mobeius]

Hmm what does it say between this post and having the only char in your sig being a lv 20 pally?

Maybe it says that their Paladin is their favorite character?

[KoboldKiller]

I'm going to make this very simple.

For those who think ToD is overpowered take a Dark Monk to 20 run an epic and then come back here and tell me ToD is overpowered.

ToD doesn't do jack compared to the Boss hp.

[Doctahg]

I don't understand why so many people WITHOUT a dark monk are so passionate that it be nerfed. WOrry about your own friggin classes pleez!

[Hendrik]

I'm going to make this very simple.

For those who think ToD is overpowered take a Dark Monk to 20 run an epic and then come back here and tell me ToD is overpowered.

ToD doesn't do jack compared to the Boss hp.

You are correct if you used WIS as a dump stat.

[Aaxeyu]

I'm going to make this very simple.

For those who think ToD is overpowered take a Dark Monk to 20 run an epic and then come back here and tell me ToD is overpowered.

ToD doesn't do jack compared to the Boss hp.

Run a light monk through said content and tell me tod is perfectly fine.

TOD does more damage against bosses than no TOD does.

[Khurse]

Run a light monk through said content and tell me tod is perfectly fine.

TOD does more damage against bosses than no TOD does.

Well, yes it does.
Just like light Monk buffs are useful and dark ones are not.
Tod is useful, and RotP is not so much.

This argument keeps going around and around, why not argue for increased Light Monk damage vs certain targets rather than take away from the Dark Monk?
Now that i think about it, it's kinda odd that ( I think) pretty much every Light Monk advocate is arguing for nerfing TOD, rather than somehow improving the RoTP ability. Of course, if they improved that many light monks wouldn't be able to take the Void line...

[Aaxeyu]

This argument keeps going around and around, why not argue for increased Light Monk damage vs certain targets rather than take away from the Dark Monk?

Is there really so much difference?

It's not like dark monks will end up with uselss DPS from this change, it's like 5-6% less DPS from what I gather from the calcs I've seen posted on the matter (not calculated it myself, so don't quote me on that number ).

[dkyle]

TOD does more damage against bosses than no TOD does.

Tautologically true, but come update 7, Light Monks will contribute far more total DPS to boss fights than even a pure 20 Warchanter.

And that's the crux of the problem. Light Monks are getting an incredibly amazing buff, while Dark Monks get their only worthwhile asset severely nerfed. Dark Monks are not at such a huge advantage currently that this is warranted.

Light Monks and Dark Monks are different. They should be. That's a great design philosophy, it's now just a matter of getting the implementation right. Light Monks can be party boosters, like Bards, and Dark Monks can be non-tanking DPS, like Rogues. People play both Bards and Rogues, why wouldn't they play both Light and Dark Monks?

[KoboldKiller]

You are correct if you used WIS as a dump stat.

Sorry but I was running EPIC on the LIVE servers so the ToD change doesn't affect me yet. My FULL ToDs were nothing compared to the sp pool.

So what was your point?

But yes I guess if you dump wis then after U7 ToD will be even less effective.

[woundweaver]

I agree with the OP, it was way overpowered. It's also ruining pvp, theres always some lvl 9 monk who jumps down and one shots an epic geared 20, kinda silly.

i would say the epic geared 20 used con as a dump stat