Rogue help =) feedback wanted!

[jrex417]

Alright check it out. I wanna play a human rogue, and im hearing a dex based rogue is not that great, also heard str based is the way to go. Im on 28 point build still though im ViP, dont quite have that much money in game to buy tomes and point wise i have 500 a month to work with. What i want is a rogue build thats not too tome dependant for a 28pnt human rogue who wants to be an assasin rogue BUT be decent with traps. Any help is appreciated.

p.s. before anyone says go halfling or go drow i choose human because i like the race, so please dont suggest it. And please try not to turn this post into a religious debate about dex based or str based being better i know they both have there plus and minuses but i choose str because its human and its more damage which i like. thanks!

[JustWinBaby]

Alright check it out. I wanna play a human rogue, and im hearing a dex based rogue is not that great, also heard str based is the way to go. Im on 28 point build still though im ViP, dont quite have that much money in game to buy tomes and point wise i have 500 a month to work with. What i want is a rogue build thats not too tome dependant for a 28pnt human rogue who wants to be an assasin rogue BUT be decent with traps. Any help is appreciated.

p.s. before anyone says go halfling or go drow i choose human because i like the race, so please dont suggest it. And please try not to turn this post into a religious debate about dex based or str based being better i know they both have there plus and minuses but i choose str because its human and its more damage which i like. thanks!

Here is a link that has several good builds in it. Enjoy. http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=275478

[NaturalHazard]

Oh you need help with rogue? I clicked on link thinking to help you out with advice on how to apply make up. My bad.

[hockeyrama]

first:
you say you want help for an assassin build that does traps. Then you say has to be human, has to be strength based and you want help. If you want help it best to see why people ask for the other builds. NOt saying you won't be able to do a str based rogue as a human. However, with 28pt build it is harder to make a str based rogue that can make the "to-hit" numbers. The reason why people warn against this build is that at higher levels you will have a problem hitting things. It is a viable build later when you have 32pt and can be doen with tomes but you will still struggle hitting things.

The links you have seen are good just remember that it is a difficult build to make work.

First, even the str based one you see there is a 32 pt build on one and the other ends with a 18 str. Which is far from high enough with gear (even great gear) to hit everything in the game. The link even talks about a halfling build. If you want a great one here is one i put together fast for you (it has tomes but as a rogue you will be able to buy +1 and +2 tomes and you can get a +3 tome at level 20 with some work (the idea of using the halfling is that compared to the str build that had an 18 str say it had 20 with a +2 tome. That means it is 10 points lower then the dex one (so -5 to hit). It will miss thinks for an extra +3 damage (14 versus 20) which if the dex one adds power attack his to hit will be the smae for +2 more damage:
I added a +3 dex at 20 and the cheat death would be deadly shadows but the planner does not have it.

Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.34
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Level 20 True Neutral Halfling Male
(20 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 242
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 10
Reflex: 23
Will: 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             12                    14
Dexterity            18                    30
Constitution         14                    16
Intelligence         14                    16
Wisdom                8                    10
Charisma              8                    10

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 20

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               7                    19
Bluff                -1                    32
Concentration         2                     3
Diplomacy             3                    23
Disable Device        6                    26
Haggle               -1                    16
Heal                 -1                     0
Hide                  8                    43
Intimidate           -1                     0
Jump                  5                    14
Listen               -1                     2
Move Silently         8                    43
Open Lock             8                    33
Perform              n/a                    n/a
Repair                2                     3
Search                6                    26
Spot                  3                    23
Swim                  1                     2
Tumble                5                    11
Use Magic Device      3                    23

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Rogue)


Level 3 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Finesse


Level 4 (Rogue)


Level 5 (Rogue)


Level 6 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 7 (Rogue)


Level 8 (Rogue)


Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 10 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion


Level 11 (Rogue)


Level 12 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons


Level 13 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Cripling Strike


Level 14 (Rogue)


Level 15 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 16 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Slippery Mind


Level 17 (Rogue)


Level 18 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 19 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Defensive Roll


Level 20 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Cheat Death
Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity I
Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity II
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning I
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning II
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning III
Enhancement: Halfling Guile I
Enhancement: Halfling Guile II
Enhancement: Halfling Guile III
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing II
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing III
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing IV
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin I
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin II
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy IV
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV
Enhancement: Rogue Hide I
Enhancement: Rogue Hide II
Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently I
Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently II
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II

[Bodic]

To make a rogue

step#1 build a fighter str con dex int cha wis
step#2 earn 1750 favor
Step#3 find all the Rog skill gear you need +3's,+5's,+7's to start
Step#4 buld Rogue 32pt have +2 tomes for all stats namely Con,Dex,Int

[karl_k0ch]

To make a rogue

step#1 build a fighter str con dex int cha wis
step#2 earn 1750 favor
Step#3 find all the Rog skill gear you need +3's,+5's,+7's to start
Step#4 buld Rogue 32pt have +2 tomes for all stats namely Con,Dex,Int

Actually, step#2 could be replaced by "earn 400 favor". Step#3 works on the fly.

The toon who unlocked drow aside, my drow rogue was always the character with the highest level. Of course, it is no optimal build, but I'm planning on TRing her anyway. After she collected enough raidloot and unlocked 1750 favor (which is not that easy without all low-level p2p content).

[Nospheratus]

How about this?

Start with:
STR 16
DEX 15
CON 14
INT 10
WIS 10
CHA 8

All levelups into STR. Final would be:

End with:
STR 21
DEX 17 (need +2 tome before level 9!!)
CON 14
INT 10
WIS 10
CHA 8

You can easily reach 28 STR with a simple +6 STR item and no tomes. That's not bad for a 28pt build.

Feats:
1: Toughness, TWF
3: PA
6: Toughness
(Make sure that during this time you buy a +2 DEX tome, should be affordable in the AH, and is absolutely necessary. Hold back the leveling to 9 if needed!)
9: ITWF
10: Crippling strike
12: GTWF
13: Improved Evasion
15: Improved Critical
16: Slippery mind (it's not so bad if you have 18 will save - possible with some items)
18: Toughness (this will make you less squishy)
19: Skill mastery

Slippery mind or skill mastery can be replaced with Opportunist and the Toughness at level 18 with Precision, even though precision isn't really required and is probably a waste of a feat if you are a STR rogue.


Skills (you can maximize 9 skills) by priority:
Use Magic Device
Disable Device
Search
Open Lock
Move Silently
Hide
Spot
Balance
8 so far.

You can split the remaining skill points in the next ones, or even on just 1. I guess it's personal preference. If you can take a +2 INT tome halfway through the levelup you will have 1 extra skill point for the remaining levels.
Jump
Tumble
Listen (this isn't really needed)


Enhancements:
Here you basically go for assassin. For being human you can take Human Adaptability and Greater Human Adaptability to get STR and CON to an even number, if needed. In any case you should have more than enough enhancement points since you will probably not spend any points in the Rogue Dexterity enhancements, except as dump points.


It's just a sketch anyway. Hope i didn't miss anything!

Like was said before, you may have some trouble hitting things sometimes so you will have to try and boost your attack roll as much as you can. There are some items that can help you with that though.