i know nobody cares but virtuoso II is bad

[Maegin]

Med armor prof is nice for epic mari chain from dq for warchanters. The feat prof is nice unless khopesh specd, more hp is always good, individualy casting gh is obnoxious so an aoe version is nice and non dispellable too. %5 more dps is good and you can have multiple fort items on anyways (yay wf) for the -10 fort, so... war chanter is nice.

turning songs into sp is nice too.

and yeah, I gave up on virt

[elujin]

its sad even here people start talking about warchanters

turbine that should say enough about virt
don't get me wrong enthrall is verry nice but virt 2 is sad

[Aashrym]

Sustaining song is nice too. I didn't think so at first but it's grown on me.

[dunklezhan]

Sustaining song is nice too. I didn't think so at first but it's grown on me.

What level of healing does it actually do?

[Aashrym]

Per the professor, "Good news, everyone"

The Song of Capering has a chance to grant an additional save when the target is damaged. In the next Lamannia update, the chance will drop to a quarter of what it is now, and Virtuoso II will be updated to:

Bard Virtuoso II
Benefit: Your further studies into song have granted you another +2 bonus to your Diplomacy, Listen, and Perform skills, for a total of +4 to each. You also gain 2 more extra uses of Bardic Music per rest for a total of 5, and the ability to extend the duration of your beneficial songs by an additional 10% for a total of 20%. You can now expend a use of Bardic Music to apply a temporary fast-healing effect to all nearby allies. Your uses of Bardic Music regenerate over time at a rate of 1 every 5 minutes. You may possess only one prestige enhancement line at a time for each class.

All of the Bard PrE's will also cost the correct amount of action points.

[Aashrym]

What level of healing does it actually do?

The burst varied, lowest I saw personally was 22, highest 30 something. The over time is 2-6 every couple seconds for the entire party. It helps shore up combat healing a bit and add top up / between combat healing quite a bit.

[dunklezhan]

Per the professor, "Good news, everyone"

Virtuoso II makes Dunklezhan.... HAPPY!!!!

Stuff the song of capering, my songs now regen and I can enthrall and HoT to my hearts' content.

*Bounce!*

[elujin]

yep the can keep song of capering this is nice no need to carry a gimp rapier or nothing

time to change a sig

[Tazarith]

That is still slower than the Radiant Sevant regen on their Turn Undeads and not much faster than the Elyd Edge rapier that i've estimated around 6 mins MAYBE alittle less but almost not worth it when time is of the essenses to the party.

My hopes are still high for a last minute tweek like this for our OP's favorite and mine Bard PvE..

Virt or Bust Baby!!!

[dunklezhan]

That is still slower than the Radiant Sevant regen on their Turn Undeads and not much faster than the Elyd Edge rapier that i've estimated around 6 mins MAYBE alittle less but almost not worth it when time is of the essenses to the party.

My hopes are still high for a last minute tweek like this for our OP's favorite and mine Bard PvE..

Virt or Bust Baby!!!

Its slower. Its true. But it regens practically as soon as the last song of sustaining ends, so - other song uses notwithstanding - that's a permanent HoT. Of course you WILL be using your inspire songs, and if you're with a party that values such things you'll be using enthrall too. So its not really infinite except in a theoretical sense (or in a multibard situation which doesn't happen too often).

I'm happy with 1 per 5mins. It leaves room for Virt 3, after all...

[elujin]

That is still slower than the Radiant Sevant regen on their Turn Undeads and not much faster than the Elyd Edge rapier that i've estimated around 6 mins MAYBE alittle less but almost not worth it when time is of the essenses to the party.

My hopes are still high for a last minute tweek like this for our OP's favorite and mine Bard PvE..

Virt or Bust Baby!!!

song of capering still weak but as i see what the outher pre got i am pritty content
if you ask me they should add a small debuff on it like enthrall has so it helps real cc casters but we are asking aloth now

[WestportStan]

I only play the lute to impress chicks.
Which Prestige line helps with that?

But seriously.
I'm glad we are getting some love in bard land. I look forward to trying them [the prestige II lines] this weekend.

[Aashrym]

That is still slower than the Radiant Sevant regen on their Turn Undeads and not much faster than the Elyd Edge rapier that i've estimated around 6 mins MAYBE alittle less but almost not worth it when time is of the essenses to the party.

My hopes are still high for a last minute tweek like this for our OP's favorite and mine Bard PvE..

Virt or Bust Baby!!!

It is but I find virtuoso's have more songs than radiant servants have turns, and songs are more powerful than turn undead. It's a nice perk.

[Emili]

It is but I find virtuoso's have more songs than radiant servants have turns, and songs are more powerful than turn undead. It's a nice perk.

As it is I have more songs than will use between shrines on my spell singer and chanter... even in epics I never run out.

[Aashrym]

As it is I have more songs than will use between shrines on my spell singer and chanter... even in epics I never run out.

How many more do you think you'll use to heal ppl? We are getting more things to spend our songs on so, to me at least, this does look like a nice little perk.

My previous comment was a response to turns regenerate faster than songs. Plenty of songs and better songs is the reason 5 min song regen is fine instead of a faster regen.

21 songs at level 12 does sound like a lot, but on the off chance it's not there is a back up. Hence my reasoning behind it being a nice little perk.

If you are saying it's not a game breaker or overpowered because of the abundance of songs then I agree with you.

Edit: I realized you said spell singer and chanter. I use spells on my singer and just buff on my chanter and both had plenty of songs. On Lammania I was going thru songs faster on my singer with my the SP regen song, and when I was trying the new virt pre I was spending more on enthrall and healing than I did with fascinate on my singer because I had so many I didn't see any reason not to.

[Noctus]

...Warchanter ... still no reason to stay pure. You could, but why?

To get the best buffsongs in game perhaps? - Aach, but who would want that?

[FluffyCalico]

-10% fortification is for sure PUG wiper, but in decend guild player wise with and rather low level (25) You accually could get guild gems (small) that give 10% GUILD bonus to fortification, but of course it require you to have armor or shiled with small guild gem slot.

Hero song = 4 to hit AND resistance against beholders (in sub, and some quests it is realy worthwile)!

WF=125% fort

[elujin]

grant it doesn't happen that mutch but there time i use all my songs with enthral only andd spamming more Inspire Greatness can't hurt

[Healsavant]

As it is I have more songs than will use between shrines on my spell singer and chanter... even in epics I never run out.

Go run epic chains, you will use every one you have, I have 29 atm and run out

[Visty]

I know I'll be taking Warchanter 2 on my main during her Bard life so I can wear my Marilith Chain.

you can already wear it, it has no ACP so you wont suffer any penalties from wearing it without proficiency

save yourself those ap