i know nobody cares but virtuoso II is bad

[Emili]

How many more do you think you'll use to heal ppl? We are getting more things to spend our songs on so, to me at least, this does look like a nice little perk.

My previous comment was a response to turns regenerate faster than songs. Plenty of songs and better songs is the reason 5 min song regen is fine instead of a faster regen.

21 songs at level 12 does sound like a lot, but on the off chance it's not there is a back up. Hence my reasoning behind it being a nice little perk.

If you are saying it's not a game breaker or overpowered because of the abundance of songs then I agree with you.

Edit: I realized you said spell singer and chanter. I use spells on my singer and just buff on my chanter and both had plenty of songs. On Lammania I was going thru songs faster on my singer with my the SP regen song, and when I was trying the new virt pre I was spending more on enthrall and healing than I did with fascinate on my singer because I had so many I didn't see any reason not to.

I have 28 songs on my spell singer with Shiona's set or 27 with Smedgar's

Yes, I've both sets on my singer but prefer Smedgar's most the time for the sp saved on extend...

I always take Extra song IV and Lingering Song IV on my bards (I have two) because I prefer them to last long and Extra song is the only way to get Music of the dead and music of makers which do in fact come in handy.

My spell singer is somewhat a quirky thing - I know most usually focus on healing or high CC... Rosewood until recently was older than dirt - first was a 28 point elf rolled in February 2006 until recently when I GR'd her - She's a dex melee bard for most cases her spell CC is strong but could be stronger had she been another race - never an issue in epic though - come healing is more spot healer than raid healer... although she can pull that off in a good group if I push her.

Go run epic chains, you will use every one you have, I have 29 atm and run out

I run epic chains now quite a bit and I do not... but I see what they're getting here is that will be more demand soon...


Pehaps they intend to beef up things like Anthem - I mean the Elyd blade really was not worth epicing for me aside a cheap devil beater. They did also say they were changing some things on the ToD sets.

[Tazarith]

It is but I find virtuoso's have more songs than radiant servants have turns, and songs are more powerful than turn undead. It's a nice perk.

FYI - Its these turn undeads that are used instead for Healing Aura and Healing Burst. True these is healing and not offensive use but it would be nice to have a faster regen on the songs than 5 mins. Still, I can't and shouldn't complain..its a win win for Virt II in my book and worth the 4 APs.

[Angelus_dead]

you can already wear it, it has no ACP so you wont suffer any penalties from wearing it without proficiency

save yourself those ap

A Bard wearing Marilith Chain will find himself failing ASF on Haste and Displacement, unless he gets the new Warchanter 2.

[Aashrym]

FYI - Its these turn undeads that are used instead for Healing Aura and Healing Burst. True these is healing and not offensive use but it would be nice to have a faster regen on the songs than 5 mins. Still, I can't and shouldn't complain..its a win win for Virt II in my book and worth the 4 APs.

I know what they are for.

Virt songs last longer than the regen time on the songs. You won't be using more than 3 or 4 healing songs between shrines at level 20, they last 5 min and affect the whole party. At an average of 4hp/2sec over 5 min is pretty decent heal over time IMO.

Virt's are given 3 songs at tier I, 2 songs at tier II, and 2 songs for capstone. They use extra song IV to avoid losing a feat for 4 more. Some people were complaining they couldn't use them all. Are you complaining that even with those bonus songs and the song regen you will be running out?

If you were to use 3 inspire courage and 5 healing songs over 25 min (pretty much constant) 5 of those songs would regen leaving you down 3. 20 songs (lvl 20) + 5 (bonuses) +6 (enhancements/capstone) still leaves 28 songs for CC.

Why do you think you need faster regen?

[Aashrym]

I have 28 songs on my spell singer with Shiona's set or 27 with Smedgar's

Yes, I've both sets on my singer but prefer Smedgar's most the time for the sp saved on extend...

I always take Extra song IV and Lingering Song IV on my bards (I have two) because I prefer them to last long and Extra song is the only way to get Music of the dead and music of makers which do in fact come in handy.

My spell singer is somewhat a quirky thing - I know most usually focus on healing or high CC... Rosewood until recently was older than dirt - first was a 28 point elf rolled in February 2006 until recently when I GR'd her - She's a dex melee bard for most cases her spell CC is strong but could be stronger had she been another race - never an issue in epic though - come healing is more spot healer than raid healer... although she can pull that off in a good group if I push her.



I run epic chains now quite a bit and I do not... but I see what they're getting here is that will be more demand soon...


Pehaps they intend to beef up things like Anthem - I mean the Elyd blade really was not worth epicing for me aside a cheap devil beater. They did also say they were changing some things on the ToD sets.

I used to enjoy a dex based bard back in the day. AC became less effective and stat damagers less useful, so I rerolled him. He was fun at the time tho for sure.

At level 12 (when tier II pre's hit) I don't think you had as many songs or that they lasted as long.

When I look at these new benefits I look at what it would be like when I get them, and when I hit level 20; sometimes how they might progress in between, even

To me 1 song regen over 5 min is useful at lower levels. Might be useful later but more likely a small benefit except situationally.

[elujin]

it gives peace of mind even if you can't use all your song you now are sure you can't spend them all

[Visty]

A Bard wearing Marilith Chain will find himself failing ASF on Haste and Displacement, unless he gets the new Warchanter 2.

hmm, true, wasnt thinking about ASF