Half-orcs + Half-elves missing from Stormreach town

[Angelus_dead]

Half-orc and Half-elf races are being added as player characters. But they're not being added as non-player characters, except in the brand-new Palace zone. A half-orc NPC there makes the claim that his race has been living in Stormreach in great numbers for countless years... but unfortunately, he's lying, as a run around the city makes clear.

[Maxallu]

Maybe they will put them in in future storylines/updates.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

Half-orc and Half-elf races are being added as player characters. But they're not being added as non-player characters, except in the brand-new Palace zone. A half-orc NPC there makes the claim that his race has been living in Stormreach in great numbers for countless years... but unfortunately, he's lying, as a run around the city makes clear.

Is that kind of like out in the desert where you run into a drow NPC spirit binder and its like its a big deal there is a drow who isn't an enemy? That dialogue really shoud be updated...

[Mister_Peace]

I think all the NPCs with last names of "d'Lyrandar" should be replaced with half-elf NPCs, as House Lyrandar does not induct elves.

[Angelus_dead]

Is that kind of like out in the desert where you run into a drow NPC spirit binder and its like its a big deal there is a drow who isn't an enemy? That dialogue really shoud be updated...

A Drow member of the Silver Flame is a pretty unusual sight. They don't have Drow over in Thrane, and the Silver Flame is a highly suspicious and judgmental organization. (The Drow player race was available long before the desert zone was added)

There are other places where Drow-references are more incongrous. For example, the DM narration in Redwillow Ruins, Stromvauld Mine, and Tempest Spine should probably use alternate versions for Drow player characters.

[moorewr]

A Drow member of the Silver Flame is a pretty unusual sight. They don't have Drow over in Thrane, and the Silver Flame is a highly suspicious and judgmental organization. (The Drow player race was available long before the desert zone was added)

There are other places where Drow-references are more incongrous. For example, the DM narration in Redwillow Ruins, Stromvauld Mine, and Tempest Spine should probably use alternate versions for Drow player characters.

I've always been disappointed that there are so few nods to alignment, race, and class in the NPC dialog.. it appears to be limited to addressing you as your class or race, but no difference in the rest of the dialog. This is especially incongruous when I take a Paladin, Cleric, or FvS follower of the sovereign host into Purge the Heretics, massacre my co-religionists, and happily report back to the Silver Flame NPC.

(That quest screams out for a "turn the tables" alternate completion. As it is your only choices are be a prick or forego the xp and favor)

It always bugs me that dragons don't, you know, notice you are wearing the scales off of one of their brother's or sister's corpse, but that's asking a bit much of the system.

[Angelus_dead]

It always bugs me that dragons don't, you know, notice you are wearing the scales off of one of their brother's or sister's corpse, but that's asking a bit much of the system.

Eh, Cynodie's robe is sewn from baby elf leather, so it evens out.

[moorewr]

Eh, Cynodie's robe is sewn from baby elf leather, so it evens out.

Yeah, but that just makes her look like any other elf.

[Coldin]

It's more than just half-orcs and half-elves. There's a significant lack of any of the monster races that would typically have a larger presence in the Eberron setting and especially in Stormreatch.

As for dragon scales, maybe Cydonie just thinks Velah had it coming?

[AylinIsAwesome]

It's more than just half-orcs and half-elves. There's a significant lack of any of the monster races that would typically have a larger presence in the Eberron setting and especially in Stormreatch.

As for dragon scales, maybe Cydonie just thinks Velah had it coming?

For the other three colours, didn't she herself send us to go slay those dragons?

[Sylvurdragon]

Eh, Cynodie's robe is sewn from baby elf leather, so it evens out.

Hello, Clarice...

[Lorien_the_First_One]

It's more than just half-orcs and half-elves. There's a significant lack of any of the monster races that would typically have a larger presence in the Eberron setting and especially in Stormreatch.

As for dragon scales, maybe Cydonie just thinks Velah had it coming?

By story line if she knew we killed Velah she would have killed us instead of asking our help. She was Velah's student who came to investigate her disappearance and then tried to finish her work. Having killed the dragon who came here to help us, I'm sure as a Blue (generally LE) she would have felt it appropriate to erase us and find someone else to help her. Or, if she was just using us, finish us off after we dealth with the Reaver.

For the other three colours, didn't she herself send us to go slay those dragons?

Yes. By story line she felt it was regretable but needed. They had been corrupted and where lost, the larger prophecy needed to be dealt with. Once again, as a LE dragon she would probably not be overly concerned with individual lives if order could be preserved by their deaths. By the same token she probably wouldn't care too much if we took their scales to continue to fight on her behalf and the behalf of the other Agent of Argo.

[AylinIsAwesome]

By story line if she knew we killed Velah she would have killed us instead of asking our help. She was Velah's student who came to investigate her disappearance and then tried to finish her work. Having killed the dragon who came here to help us, I'm sure as a Blue (generally LE) she would have felt it appropriate to erase us and find someone else to help her. Or, if she was just using us, finish us off after we dealth with the Reaver.



Yes. By story line she felt it was regretable but needed. They had been corrupted and where lost, the larger prophecy needed to be dealt with. Once again, as a LE dragon she would probably not be overly concerned with individual lives if order could be preserved by their deaths. By the same token she probably wouldn't care too much if we took their scales to continue to fight on her behalf and the behalf of the other Agent of Argo.

I'm slightly confused about why the other dragons complain she's "too trusting" of us mortals if she was just planning on killing us.


Also I thought that in Eberron scale colour didn't necessarily determine alignment, but I can't remember where I heard that from.

[Angelus_dead]

Also I thought that in Eberron scale colour didn't necessarily determine alignment, but I can't remember where I heard that from.

It's a general Eberron rule that creatures are less restricted to Monster Manual alignment. This goes for orcs, trolls, and especially dragons. It's also why you can have a Paladin of the Lord of Blades.

Note that DDO has generally put creature more into restrictive alignments than the Eberron setting does.

[moorewr]

By story line if she knew we killed Velah she would have killed us instead of asking our help. She was Velah's student who came to investigate her disappearance and then tried to finish her work. Having killed the dragon who came here to help us, I'm sure as a Blue (generally LE) she would have felt it appropriate to erase us and find someone else to help her. Or, if she was just using us, finish us off after we dealth with the Reaver.



Yes. By story line she felt it was regretable but needed. They had been corrupted and where lost, the larger prophecy needed to be dealt with. Once again, as a LE dragon she would probably not be overly concerned with individual lives if order could be preserved by their deaths. By the same token she probably wouldn't care too much if we took their scales to continue to fight on her behalf and the behalf of the other Agent of Argo.

As A_D says, you can't make alignment assumptions based on the color of the Dragon.

My assumption with Cydonie is that she is aware that what we did to Velah was unavoidable, or simply thinks we did what no worse than she'd expect of us lesser races, given what we knew at the time.

[Zippo]

Half-orc and Half-elf races are being added as player characters. But they're not being added as non-player characters, except in the brand-new Palace zone. A half-orc NPC there makes the claim that his race has been living in Stormreach in great numbers for countless years... but unfortunately, he's lying, as a run around the city makes clear.

Actually I have seen for quite some time (before Unlimited) undead half-elves and even in Cereulean Hills half-orcs. Granted you don't see them as often as you see Ogres, oozes, giants, skellies, and evil outsiders or different sorts but they have been in game for some time (well as monsters anyways).

[Lorien_the_First_One]

I'm slightly confused about why the other dragons complain she's "too trusting" of us mortals if she was just planning on killing us.

Also I thought that in Eberron scale colour didn't necessarily determine alignment, but I can't remember where I heard that from.

Scale colour doesn't mean everything, but I think its still a default. We also know Velah's dragon from weapon's we used on her. We don't know our favorite blue's of course

And I don't think she's planning on killing us, but I think she SHOULD want to kill us if she knew we were the adventurers who killed her teacher.

My assumption with Cydonie is that she is aware that what we did to Velah was unavoidable, or simply thinks we did what no worse than she'd expect of us lesser races, given what we knew at the time.

Now that's interesting. We know Cydonie didn't know much when she came here, we don't know how much she found out before she spoke with us. I don't suppose the 12 people who killed a red dragon would have been a secret in Stormreach. Maybe she is just reacting as you suggest, although that could explain why she never actually tells us who she is and we only got that from background lore and that one little minor hint about another dragon being around.

You know its a shame people miss all the story lines and lore with shar plz.

[kinar]

You know its a shame people miss all the story lines and lore with shar plz.

We were missing all the story lines and lore LONG before shar plz...

[dTarkanan]

By story line if she knew we killed Velah she would have killed us instead of asking our help. She was Velah's student who came to investigate her disappearance and then tried to finish her work. Having killed the dragon who came here to help us, I'm sure as a Blue (generally LE) she would have felt it appropriate to erase us and find someone else to help her. Or, if she was just using us, finish us off after we dealth with the Reaver.

Technically, by Eberron campaign setting, dragons are no longer colour coded for your convenience.

[Gorbadoc]

If I were a dragon, I would make it a priority to reduce economic demand for my hide.

I would use my political finesse to make the wearers of dragonscale armor die terrible deaths in public.

I would subtly sabotage any existing suits of dragonscale armor I could find, then place them in chests for adventurers to find; with any luck, adventurers would become convinced that the hides of dragons made for lousy armor.

I would use a good old fashioned Sphere of Annihilation on anyone who knew how to craft armor from the hides of dragons, in the hopes that the knowledge be lost forever.

If I weren't skilled enough to perform the above tasks, I would instead rip the wearers' lungs out, destroy the suits of armor, and level the zip code of any crafter.