To the owner of the +1 Vorpal Khopesh of Pure Good

[knightgf]

Ever since we converted to Plat-people bid the same as we used to do for Gold. I wish Turbine would realize that this has messed up our economy.

As a reminder to everyone out there:

1 plat equals 10 gold. 1 plat does not equal 1 gold. While it is understandable for people to be not proficient at mathematics, there is no penalty for taking out a calculator to calculate the cost of your item when converting from plat to gold.

[Crazyfruit]

Been trying to sell a +1 Maladroit of Bone Breaking Heavy mace.

It's a fantastic combo of effects, but very undervalued. Many monsters have a very low DEX stat & that'll put them to autocrits. I'm the only person I know on Orien who uses that.

Maces aren't popular though. I wouldn't be surprised if only a handful of people even looked in them... and probably just for cheap DR bypassers.

[ZodacBKB]

I believe the AH prices will change a lot with the new AH improvements!

Yeah, I suspect they'll go up. For example, when people can search for metalline + pure good instead of looking through 100 weapons of each type, they'll find the bargains easier and make purchases and effectively increase demand. Just having the whole thing easier to use will make more people bother with searching for the items they need and increase demand.

[Nospheratus]

Yeah, I suspect they'll go up. For example, when people can search for metalline + pure good instead of looking through 100 weapons of each type, they'll find the bargains easier and make purchases and effectively increase demand. Just having the whole thing easier to use will make more people bother with searching for the items they need and increase demand.

I doubt. The fact that items are easier to find makes them cheaper. In reality, the offer will increase while the demand remains the same (?). This leads to lower prices.

Also, prices will be more even i believe.

[dkyle]

I doubt. The fact that items are easier to find makes them cheaper. In reality, the offer will increase while the demand remains the same (?). This leads to lower prices.

The idea is that the supply will stay the same, since no changes to posting will be happening, but demand will increase, as more people will be willing to search the AH for the item they want.

For example, I picked up two +5 MetPG Battleaxes for about 20K plat each. I suspect once someone can search the entire AH for MetPG, demand for lesser weapons like Battleaxes and Longswords with good properties on them will increase.

[Geonis]

Want to stop the insane prices, change the post cost to 10% of the min bid to post, and 30% of sell price if it sells. So when you post something, you have to pay 10% of the min bid upfront to post it, and if it sells the AH subtracts the difference so the total paid is 30% of sell price.

That will quickly stop the 1.2mill PP min bid small devil scales and other **** like that. You know, those using the AH for extra bank space.

[Cam_Neely]

Can someone explain why people are so angry about people 'over pricing' something in the AH?

Ok lets take a crazy example. Lily petals from Vale Rares. Lets say that someone prices it for 1m plat. Before I see it, I'm happy, because I have free time and I'm playing a game I like. I see it, cant afford it, or dont place that type of value on a lily petal, so I dont buy it. Afterwards I'm in the same exact place. No skin off my back, so why the stink? I understand these types of rants and complaints on some mechanisms (ie greifing or fake rolling on loot), but suggesting devs spend time to put in price ceiling ect seems like making a mountain out of a mole hill.

[cdbd3rd]

Can someone explain why people are so angry about people 'over pricing' something in the AH?....

*shrug*

Though with one specific exception:

Vendor quivers. Cost a few gold from the harbor vendor, always see pages of them on AH for 150p+ each. Blatant rip-off aimed at newbies.

[Darkrok]

Can someone explain why people are so angry about people 'over pricing' something in the AH?

Ok lets take a crazy example. Lily petals from Vale Rares. Lets say that someone prices it for 1m plat. Before I see it, I'm happy, because I have free time and I'm playing a game I like. I see it, cant afford it, or dont place that type of value on a lily petal, so I dont buy it. Afterwards I'm in the same exact place. No skin off my back, so why the stink? I understand these types of rants and complaints on some mechanisms (ie greifing or fake rolling on loot), but suggesting devs spend time to put in price ceiling ect seems like making a mountain out of a mole hill.

They want to buy the items and are mad that they can't afford it most likely. People need to realize that the high prices are usually on twink gear and low-level collectibles though and embrace it. I know for example that once I realized what the vials of pure water/deadly feverblanch were worth my issues being able to afford the consumables necessary to easily solo were over. One pull of a nice RR item will set up a non-twinked character for several levels.

So yes, those that don't know the way the game works can get taken advantage of...but if they don't know how the game works they probably won't have the plat to buy at the crazy prices anyways. And for newer players to the game they can really get their character set up fairly well simply from using the AH as a tax on the richer players.

[Crazyfruit]

Vendor quivers. Cost a few gold from the harbor vendor, always see pages of them on AH for 150p+ each. Blatant rip-off aimed at newbies.

Haha, I've bought a dozen of those.

Thought they only came from the House D favor guy at the time, didn't even know there was a weapon shop hidden away in the harbor

[PNellesen]

This is a non-issue. the AH is not broken in terms of pricing - just search and sorting capabilities and that is apparently being fixed.

if you don't want it or if somethign is posted as more than you would pay, then don't bid on it. If someone pays 250K plat for a khopesh then it is worth 250K plat. this is an auction house - nobody is forcing you to bid.

This.

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[Lorz]

I love how people come and demand that you sell them your items for what they want to pay. Do you do this at a retail store? Really? Simply put....quit trying to tell anyone what they can or cannot sell something for. This is between only the buyer and the seller. And OP you are not the buyer.....as you did not bid. So it didn't sell this is not your concern...it is the sellers concern...yet you come in all bent like others determined to set another persons asking price......you have NO RIGHT AND NO CLUE to do this.

When i do list an item I generally lowball because I want to sell it fast...but that doesn't mean I have too...or may even want too. As for plat....it grows on tress in this game....so you complaining about a price for an item just shows all you want to do is pay what you think the seller should sell it for.....regardless of what the owner of the item wants to sell it for. It is a two way deal...if it is too rich for your blood then you are not part of the deal.

Nothing is broken here except for your sense of entitlement to other peoples possessions.

Your coveting of their goods and demanding they sell to you at what want to pay...is unacceptable.

It would be the same as me saying you must by this item from me and you must pay me XXXXX millions of plat.....think about that for a second...i suspect you would not like that a bit...and that is exactly what you are doing. EXACTLY.

You want a certain item either pay what is being asked or go pull your own. But quit trying to tell people what they have to sell for, you have no right.

[sirgog]

Can someone explain why people are so angry about people 'over pricing' something in the AH?

Ok lets take a crazy example. Lily petals from Vale Rares. Lets say that someone prices it for 1m plat. Before I see it, I'm happy, because I have free time and I'm playing a game I like. I see it, cant afford it, or dont place that type of value on a lily petal, so I dont buy it. Afterwards I'm in the same exact place. No skin off my back, so why the stink? I understand these types of rants and complaints on some mechanisms (ie greifing or fake rolling on loot), but suggesting devs spend time to put in price ceiling ect seems like making a mountain out of a mole hill.

The actual deliberate overpricing makes it hard to find the good stuff on the AH.

If people post 25 pages of 1x Lamanian Lily Petal for 265k PP each, that makes it hard to see a bargain like a Scroll of the Chaosblade that someone's posted for 1.4m PP.

[AyumiAmakusa]

Both suggested values are horribly overpriced.

Ever since we converted to Plat-people bid the same as we used to do for Gold. I wish Turbine would realize that this has messed up our economy.

That is the effect that Turbine wanted. They knew exactly what would happen with the change.

Value of Plat now = Value of Gold then

Is effectively a global plat sink.

Hence, value of money in the game is divided by 10.

[kernal42]

That is the effect that Turbine wanted. They knew exactly what would happen with the change.

Value of Plat now = Value of Gold then

Is effectively a global plat sink.

Hence, value of money in the game is divided by 10.

That's not even true. The price increases I have seen have stabilized at about 15% higher than pre-U5 prices. Note that 15% is much, much less than the 900% price increase you're touting.

Cheers,
Kernal

[sirgog]

That's not even true. The price increases I have seen have stabilized at about 15% higher than pre-U5 prices. Note that 15% is much, much less than the 900% price increase you're touting.

Cheers,
Kernal

Not to mention that 15% inflation happens every couple of months in DDO whether there's a currency change or not.

[Bodic]

is that why I laugh at +1 tome prices I sell mine just a gnats behind over what I would get from vendoring it.

heck +2 tomes are common.

now +3 unbound tomes that is totally a different matter those are actually rare.

[Psyker]

The real problem is Plat is too easy to get (especially at high levels), and there are not enough "plat sinks" in game. This combines to make "twink equipment", ingredients, and to a lesser extent usable collectibles more valuable than the Plat you can get for them. I have 30-40 Harry Beaters (and a lot of other decent EQ I don't use) on a couple of different storage characters because there is no point in selling them, I would rather hang onto them in case a guildie or a new Alt needs them.

[stoolcannon]

That is the effect that Turbine wanted. They knew exactly what would happen with the change.

Value of Plat now = Value of Gold then

Is effectively a global plat sink.

Hence, value of money in the game is divided by 10.

Considering how easy it is to make money in this game (and it is VERY easy) and considering how much plat most of the vets I know have tucked away in their banks it's pretty much a non-issue anyway. With the exception of consumables (mem pots specifically) nothing else is that far out of reach.

I've been playing for 5 months now and I spend quite a bit twinking each of my toons as I level them and I've still got around 1 million plat. Note that I DO NOT focus on gold grinding. I didn't make a single jump during the ice games, I don't grind IQ for loot and I don't grind vale for ingredients to sell or run loot chests intending to sell the items. It's not my style.

So far just in normal play I've pulled:

2x Spectral Gloves (sold one for 750k in AH to give myself a start with cash and gave the other away)
1x Bloodstone (currently in use)
1x Belt of the 7 ideals (sold for 150k in AH)
Several shield pieces (sold for about 65k each)
Lots of other good stuff, materials, feverbranches, hymnals etc I could sell but don't

Various solid weapons weapons i.e
+3 Shocking Burst Greataxe of PG (Sold for 250k in AH)

At the end of the day I've got a little over a million plat between my lvl 20 and 2 18's and I've twinked each of them to the best possible gear available for each level at the time (standard +6's etc not rare items) and also leveled a barb with a 10kplat per day pot habit and I still have tons of plat to spend on whatever I wish.

I've sold stuff for well under what it's worth and probably more than what it's worth but for the most part I just find whatever the general price seems to be and price well under that to move my item quickly.

If people want it they pay for it, if they don't they don't. Amazing how a free market works that way.

If no one buys my item I'll either reduce the price significantly and repost or vendor it.

[weewoo0]

It's a fantastic combo of effects, but very undervalued. Many monsters have a very low DEX stat & that'll put them to autocrits. I'm the only person I know on Orien who uses that.

Maces aren't popular though. I wouldn't be surprised if only a handful of people even looked in them... and probably just for cheap DR bypassers.

now i'm affronted i happen to know quite well that my favored soul who you've run with on orien actually carries a pair for blade barriers . if they have no dex they can't evade ^^