The Gods Must Be Crazy

[Irinis]

Crazy Theoretical Divine Might Haggle Cleric

Prompted by a guildie asking for something for her Drow. This is totally crazy and I wouldn't recommend anyone to build it. It's just fun... can it be viable? I have no clue. Probably would be better as Human to pick up Extend as well.

EDIT: The build uses Epic Dynastic Falcata to virtually dumpstat STR in favor of CHA.

Cleric18/Rogue2 Drow

Not much at all in trapskills, could probably open locks in Shroud though, and do traps on Normal while leveling if fully buffed out the wazoo and fully geared. (And roll LUCKY! lol)

STR 20 (10 +2 tome +6 item +1 exc +1 Litany)
DEX 26 (16 +2 tome +1 Litany +7 epic)
CON 24 (14 +2 tome +7 epic +1 Litany)
INT 12 (10 +2 tome) 18 with +6 item for trapskills
WIS 26 (12 +2 tome +2 Cleric +7 epic +1 Litany +2 exc)
CHA 36 (16 +5 levels +2 tome +2 Cleric +7 Epic +3 exc +1 Litany)

Divine Might III
Radiant Servant II

Feats:
Toughness
Max
Emp Heal
Quicken
Negotiator
SF: Haggle
Exotic Prof: Khophesh

Problems: Epic Dynastic Falcata uses CHA for +hit and damage, but wouldn't be able to use any other weapon ever... can't take TWF feats to back up the TWF'ing.
WIS being low this build doesn't have a lot of SP, would probably spend all it's haggle bonus in buying mana pots. Would fail as a Cleric while leveling and wouldn't be able to hit much either until the Khopheshes are crafted to Epic.
Can't max both Haggle and UMD.



Ideas for an actual sort of viability: If you stop with the Haggle focus (take UMD instead), go Human, and take TWF, ITWF and GTWF, this could turn out to be kinda a fun Battle Cleric.

If you substitute 2 Monk for TWF feats instead of 2 Rogue, then pick up OTWF and Extend as well (Balance and Concentration for skills) this could actually sort of work as a "Holy Mother of Turn Undead" Battle Cleric build. o.O


.oO Holy Mother Oo.

Human Cleric18/Monk2 Lawful Neutral

Using Epic Dynastic Falcata for CHA attack and damage instead of STR. Skills are Balance and Concentration, with some into Tumble and Jump at the beginning.

Divine Might III
Radiant Servant II

STR 22 (12 +2 tome +7 epic +1 Litany) 24 rage spell
DEX 26 (15 +2 tome +1 Litany +7 epic +1 exc)
CON 24 (14 +2 tome +6 epic +1 Human +1 Litany) 26 rage spell
INT 12 (10 +2 tome)
WIS 28 (12 +2 tome +2 Cleric +1 G Human +7 epic +1 Litany +3 exc)
CHA 36 (16 +5 levels +2 tome +2 Cleric +7 Epic +3 exc +1 Litany)

(Note that I'm not sure it'll be possible to afford Cleric WIS III and Human Greater Adaptability WIS and everything else, that'd be 10 AP spent for 20 more SP and 1 more DC that won't work in epic anyway.)


Feats:
TWF, OTWF, Toughness
Max
Emp Heal
ITWF
Quicken OR Extend
Exotic Prof: Khophesh
GTWF

Could be an interesting build, but this would be seriously WEAK leveling up. Not enough SP to be main healer, definitely not enough attack to melee. Could potentially go Finesse instead of ITWF at first then swap that out later on before picking up GTWF.

[Consumer]

STR 20 (10 +2 tome +6 item +1 exc +1 Litany)
DEX 26 (16 +2 tome +1 Litany +7 epic)
CON 24 (14 +2 tome +7 epic +1 Litany)
INT 12 (10 +2 tome) 18 with +6 item for trapskills
WIS 26 (12 +2 tome +2 Cleric +7 epic +1 Litany +2 exc)
CHA 36 (16 +5 levels +2 tome +2 Cleric +7 Epic +3 exc +1 Litany)

Your going to hit jack all with 10 starting str.

You only need a 15 Dex for TWF and a +2 tome for ITWF.

[Kriogen]

As Drow just use Rapiers. With racial enhancements its almost as good as khopesh. You can even get extra +2 tohit with rapiers.

[Irinis]

Your going to hit jack all with 10 starting str.

You only need a 15 Dex for TWF and a +2 tome for ITWF.

Epic Dynastic Falcata = CHA to hit, not STR. Obviously while leveling this character would be super weak and need to pike off guildies. Hehe.

Drow doesn't really have anywhere else to spend that one measly leftover ability point. I'll put up the semi-viable Human version in a bit.

[Consumer]

Epic Dynastic Falcata = CHA to hit, not STR. Obviously while leveling this character would be super weak and need to pike off guildies. Hehe.

I didn't bother reading past the stats tbh.

[Irinis]

Human Cleric18/Monk2

Using Epic Dynastic Falcata for CHA attack and damage instead of STR. Skills are Balance and Concentration, with some into Tumble and Jump at the beginning.

Divine Might III
Radiant Servant II

STR 22 (12 +2 tome +7 epic +1 Litany) 24 rage spell
DEX 26 (15 +2 tome +1 Litany +7 epic +1 exc)
CON 24 (14 +2 tome +6 epic +1 Human +1 Litany) 26 rage spell
INT 12 (10 +2 tome)
WIS 26 (12 +2 tome +2 Cleric +7 epic +1 Litany +2 exc)
CHA 36 (16 +5 levels +2 tome +2 Cleric +7 Epic +3 exc +1 Litany)

Feats:
TWF, OTWF, Toughness
Max
Emp Heal
ITWF
Quicken OR Extend
Exotic Prof: Khophesh
GTWF

Could be an interesting build, but this would be seriously WEAK leveling up. Not enough SP to be main healer, definitely not enough attack to melee. Could potentially go Finesse instead of ITWF at first then swap that out later on before picking up GTWF.

[Anthios888]

I basically have this build on Ghallanda as my hagglebot. He's a huge gimp and he never enters instances. I used to play him as a healer, but I destroyed my spell components. Tons of inventory space makes it ideal for me.

This seems like you could accomplish it way easier as a bard and even end up with a higher haggle, though.

[Irinis]

Well yeah, Bards are the master Hagglebots. Especially Human with at least 1 level of Rogue for Rogue boost AND Human Versatility.

What do you think of the semi-viable Human Monk splash one?

EDIT: Ah, apparently can't use both boosts at once. Lame.

[Hobgoblin]

cant use rogue boost and hv boost at same time. i tried

hob

[PCSwarrior]

I haven't read the build yet, but already a +1 for the Title

[Spoonwelder]

On the Human build - move the extra dex to wisdom and get Cleric 3 from AP and you can get to 28 Wis - which isn't horrible for DC's up to Epic and gets you another 20SP.

Yeah a gimp at lower levels but survivable up to getting to Epic...it will be Epic itself that will be your tough sell from what I have been told.

[Irinis]

cant use rogue boost and hv boost at same time. i tried

hob

Oh someone told me you could and I haven't had a chance to test it myself yet, no builds that have both. Thank you, will edit.

On the Human build - move the extra dex to wisdom and get Cleric 3 from AP and you can get to 28 Wis - which isn't horrible for DC's up to Epic and gets you another 20SP.

Yeah a gimp at lower levels but survivable up to getting to Epic...it will be Epic itself that will be your tough sell from what I have been told.

Can't reduce DEX or there's no TWF feats. Maybe could work if you plan to LR the build at 20 after getting Epic gear but then it'd have to be planned out as a completely different build until then. (And people would be wondering why a Cleric is rolling on those particular loots.)

EDIT: Ohh, you meant the exceptional +1 DEX. Ehh, that just evens out DEX after Epic Spectrals, probably not that important.

Could spend 10 AP on Cleric WIS III and Human Greater Adaptability WIS to gain +2 WIS, 20 more SP, and +1 DC that wouldn't work on Epic anyway. Or could spend just the 4 AP and craft an exceptional +1 WIS on one of your Epic items... Not sure even 4 AP will be worth it here.

[phalaeo]

And I thought my Cleric had good Haggle- she can hit 33.

[JohnWarlock]

Either a 2 monk / 18 cleric or 20 cleric drow

32 Point Build

Str: 10
Dex: 10
Con: 14
Int: 10
Wis: 16
Cha: 16

Get Elyd's Edge at level 5 from Sentinels:
Rapier
To hit: Cha
Damage: Str

So you'd benefit from the Drow Rapier Racial Enhancements.

You'd be able to get Divine Might IV
and take Radiant Savant (Healing Cleric Prestige)

Your DC's would be 3 off a lvl 20 cleric.

Your charisma would still be high enough, and you can drop Khopesh for Extend.

[Irinis]

Good point for the Drow build, but the damage from that stupid rapier is still STR so it might be worth it to drop WIS and bump up STR a little. Also that it's ONLY silver/good is really sad.