Shintao question

[kruggh_ddo]

From patch notes :

# Shintao Monk: Kukan-Do

* Cost: 25 Ki
* Benefit: You lock gazes with an enemy, stunning them for a short period of time on a failed Fortitude save (DC = 10 + Charisma Modifier + your monk level). Any effects that modify your Stunning Blow or Stunning Fist DC's also affect this ability. Sightless creatures are unaffected by this ability.

Two questions about Kukan-Do for people on Lamannia
- can anyone confirm the DC is charisma based ?
- can anyone confirm if stunning wraps bonus (+10 max) is added to the DC ?

Thank you.

[J1NG]

It's bugged.

Currently, it's a Will save DC.

And stunning wraps doesn't add to the DC.

J1NG

[rimble]

It's bugged.

Currently, it's a Will save DC.

And stunning wraps doesn't add to the DC.

[shortdevils]

never mind

[J1NG]

Forgot to add, yes, it's currently using Charisma.

But think about it. It's 100% OK to use Charisma here.

J1NG

[t0r012]

yes just what monks needed another prime stat!
I had so few other stats that are needed on my monks that I was trying to find a way to downgrade to 28 point builds.

Seriously though CHA DCs on 2 monk abilities(shining star the other). Do they both fit as Cha based? Sure I'll concede that but come on, throw us a bone here.

I guess I can live with this, a ranged stun is a strong bonus and should have some drawback.

on the other hand
I would still like it to be a Wis DC with 1/2 monk level. I see it as more a contest of wills not of personality.

[Eladrin]

Kukan-do should be a Will save based stun that uses charisma as the relevant ability score (as it does in the original source material). Effects that improve stun DC's should, however, function on it.

[J1NG]

Kukan-do should be a Will save based stun that uses charisma as the relevant ability score (as it does in the original source material). Effects that improve stun DC's should, however, function on it.

It does not allow stunning bonus to be added on the Kukan-Do. Bug Reported already. You guys need to do something there.

J1NG

[Diyon]

Kukan-do should be a Will save based stun that uses charisma as the relevant ability score (as it does in the original source material). Effects that improve stun DC's should, however, function on it.

Probably should get the release notes fixed to say will save rather than fort save then.

[t0r012]

Kukan-do should be a Will save based stun that uses charisma as the relevant ability score (as it does in the original source material). Effects that improve stun DC's should, however, function on it.

ohh a will based save, hmmm so its not the normal fort save for a stun that is interesting.

[Coldin]

Kukan-do should be a Will save based stun that uses charisma as the relevant ability score (as it does in the original source material). Effects that improve stun DC's should, however, function on it.

Looking at it right now, and my handwraps or stunning +10 are not increasing the DC.

The formula seems correct though for using Charisma. It's listed as a Fortitude Save in the tooltip in-game as well.

[CHARNAME]

Are all the new Shintao moves (and a Stunning Fist) on different timers?

[Coldin]

Are all the new Shintao moves (and a Stunning Fist) on different timers?

Yep, they're all on different timers.

[Fafnir]

Thanks for looking into it. Will be good when stunning wraps add to the DC

[elyssaria]

Kukan-do should be a Will save based stun that uses charisma as the relevant ability score (as it does in the original source material). Effects that improve stun DC's should, however, function on it.

Hehe so now a light monk will be really really starved when it comes to the stats:

Monk stats:

Str: Useful stat that increases both the damage you do and your to-hit. [Needed!]
Dex: Prereq for TWF feat line as well adds AC and reflex saves [Needed!]
Con: I think everyone know how important HP is in the endgame [Needed!]
Int: Well I guess this can be left as it is, but say goodbye to combat expertise [Optional]
Wis: Keydefining stat to the monks. DC depends on this, extra AC and willsaves [Needed!]
Cha: Now we need to find some hidden statpoints to add here to be able to utilize shintao effeciently [Needed!]

Can monks get some extra starting stat points please? *grins*

It's going to be a very rough ride to be efficient as a shintao. Personally it would mean that I would have to skip Cha since I evaluate the other stats more, however it would be sad to not be able to use the shintao's better ability to it's full potential.

I personally would see wisdom a better choice of stat for the DC.

Beside this I am looking forward to try the Shintao Monk V2.0

/Khierra

[Diyon]

Hehe so now a light monk will be really really starved when it comes to the stats:

Monk stats:

Str: Useful stat that increases both the damage you do and your to-hit. [Needed!]
Dex: Prereq for TWF feat line as well adds AC and reflex saves [Needed!]
Con: I think everyone know how important HP is in the endgame [Needed!]
Int: Well I guess this can be left as it is, but say goodbye to combat expertise [Optional]
Wis: Keydefining stat to the monks. DC depends on this, extra AC and willsaves [Needed!]
Cha: Now we need to find some hidden statpoints to add here to be able to utilize shintao effeciently [Needed!]

Can monks get some extra starting stat points please? *grins*

It's going to be a very rough ride to be efficient as a shintao. Personally it would mean that I would have to skip Cha since I evaluate the other stats more, however it would be sad to not be able to use the shintao's better ability to it's full potential.

I personally would see wisdom a better choice of stat for the DC.

Beside this I am looking forward to try the Shintao Monk V2.0

/Khierra

Bah, Charisma isn't "needed!" For one its a will save that's easier to pull off, and is only relavent to the ranged stun, and shining star dance. Even completely dumping cha you can still pretty easily get a dc of 33. Its still useful at that point and its not worth spending many build points to up it, as you could ignore even using these abilities as generally stunning is better than dancing, and if you fail a range stun you can move in for a short range stun with a better dc.

[J1NG]

Indeed, please read the statements more clearly.

Right now, it is bugged, so Stunning Wraps doesn't work on it. It should, but doesn't. (Turbine, this modifier addition needs fixing)

Right now, it's

10 + 20 (Monk) + Charisma Mod + Item Modifier

That's at least 30 already. Add 10 on top? 40 odd. Make it a Will save and all of a sudden, it's a whole new ball game.

J1NG