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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragavon View Post
    No, if it works on raid bosses then it is great. I just dont expect that it will.....
    Considering that they have fortification, it will work. It's easily the best rogue feat in game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragavon View Post
    No, if it works on raid bosses then it is great. I just dont expect that it will.....
    I suppose it should unless fortified bosses are flagged as having some special sort of "boss fortification" that will be exempt. It's a female dog to test yourself though, you need to Fraps the fight and afterwards count how many SA's you get it on average.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angelus_dead View Post
    I hope the singleton Opportunist is intentional, although you'd think they'd have found time to edit the text if that was the case.
    The description of Opportunist should be "A rogue with this ability gains a 3% chance to double strike with melee weapons and bypasses 10% fortification."

    (As opposed to the old "A rogue with this ability gains a 3% chance to double strike with melee weapons. This ability may be taken multiple times, increasing this double strike chance by 3% each time.")

    Is it still claiming to be able to be taken multiple times?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eladrin View Post
    The description of Opportunist should be "A rogue with this ability gains a 3% chance to double strike with melee weapons and bypasses 10% fortification."

    (As opposed to the old "A rogue with this ability gains a 3% chance to double strike with melee weapons. This ability may be taken multiple times, increasing this double strike chance by 3% each time.")
    Eladrin, since we're only to take it one time now can the doublestrike chance be increased to 5%?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AylinIsAwesome View Post
    Eladrin, since we're only to take it one time now can the doublestrike chance be increased to 5%?
    We added the bit of fort-bypass since it can only be taken once.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AylinIsAwesome View Post
    Eladrin, since we're only to take it one time now can the doublestrike chance be increased to 5%?
    lol man, we get something good and aren't satisfied with it. We want more. Thanks again Devs for all the U7 work you've done thus far
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eladrin View Post
    We added the bit of fort-bypass since it can only be taken once.
    So much for looking forward to playing my rogue again!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eladrin View Post
    Is it still claiming to be able to be taken multiple times?
    It did one minute ago. Now it is fixed.

    Thanks for the clarification.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiranselie View Post
    So much for looking forward to playing my rogue again!
    It's still a really strong special ability. The previous version was a bit environment deforming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eladrin View Post
    The description of Opportunist should be "A rogue with this ability gains a 3% chance to double strike with melee weapons and bypasses 10% fortification."

    (As opposed to the old "A rogue with this ability gains a 3% chance to double strike with melee weapons. This ability may be taken multiple times, increasing this double strike chance by 3% each time.")

    Is it still claiming to be able to be taken multiple times?
    The release notes are. In game description doesn't.

    I still don't understand why this is limited to melee weapons only though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eladrin View Post
    The description of Opportunist should be "A rogue with this ability gains a 3% chance to double strike with melee weapons and bypasses 10% fortification."

    (As opposed to the old "A rogue with this ability gains a 3% chance to double strike with melee weapons. This ability may be taken multiple times, increasing this double strike chance by 3% each time.")

    Is it still claiming to be able to be taken multiple times?
    Well, I like this a bit better than 3% stacking as it was originally discussed. I think the consesus will likely be...

    Improved Evasion
    Double Strike
    Crippling Strike
    (one of the others)

    And I could see someone argue to swap Imp Evasion to 2nd. As much as I like Crippling Strike, I can't see choosing it over 3% DS + 10% fort drop.

    Seems to me the sweet spot for rogue multiclasses will now be very solidified at 13 levels for a lot of builds (seems like that was already kind of the norm).

    This is a bit more balanced though as the dps increase vs other classes is only 3% plus 10% sneak attack/crit damage on fortified mobs. That's a lot more reasonable in my mind then 9% or 12% against everything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldin View Post
    The release notes are.
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    Wouldn't it be great if there were some way you could "examine" a mob and see what his fortification is? (hint hint hint)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldin View Post
    I still don't understand why this is limited to melee weapons only though.
    100% agreed. This is a nice new benefit to rogues (and an unexpected one). Ranged rogues have enough trouble keeping up...no sense putting them further behind.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kiranselie View Post
    So much for looking forward to playing my rogue again!
    Rogues are already a very healthy class in DDO right now. This gave them a bit of a dps boon that, from what I can tell, we weren't even desperately clammering for (but I'll happily take it). Not sure how this can be seen as a negative at all.

    I think there are a lot of Dark Monks right now not very likely to want to hear complaints about this rogue adjustment
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathseeker View Post
    Wouldn't it be great if there were some way you could "examine" a mob and see what his fortification is? (hint hint hint)
    Something like this would be nice

    http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Libra_%28Ability%29

    Libra (ライブラ, Raibura), also known as Scan, Peep, Analysis, or Sense, is a recurring ability in the series. It is often a White Magic spell, but at other times is a separate command ability. It displays an enemy's stats, strengths, and weaknesses.
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    Any chance the 10% fort reduction could also apply to Ranged attacks, so Mechanic Repeater Rogues (which have just been made viable) can also see some benefit??

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    Even though it can only be taken once, it's still a really nice feat.

    This might have been stated elsewhere already, but will the fort bypassing work on mobs immune to crits, such as Undead/Lich?
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    Glad to see it was changed to once only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glenalth View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eladrin View Post
    We added the bit of fort-bypass since it can only be taken once.
    Fair enough.


    Any chance at a pass of Crippling Strike and the other Rogue bonus feats soon?

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