Opportunist can only be taken ONCE!

[Trillea]

I used a lesser heart +3 to lesser my 18/1/1 rog/ftr/monk into a 20 assassin to see if I liked it, took improved evasion at 10, opportunist at 13, and when I hit 16th level opportunist was not selectable as a rogue special feat.

[Angelus_dead]

I hope the singleton Opportunist is intentional, although you'd think they'd have found time to edit the text if that was the case.

[Dandonk]

Yes, I must say I hope it's intentional too. Sure, my rogue would love 4 Op feats, but it really kills the diversity and choice that should be in feat choices.

[Glenalth]

Aww, I wanted two of them for my Acrobat

[lord_of_rage]

Yes, I must say I hope it's intentional too. Sure, my rogue would love 4 Op feats, but it really kills the diversity and choice that should be in feat choices.

No it doesnt. The choice is still there. If you choose the feat 4 times. Well you made the choice. Regardless if its the most optimal. The choice still remains.

[Trillea]

No it doesnt. The choice is still there. If you choose the feat 4 times. Well you made the choice. Regardless if its the most optimal. The choice still remains.

But they took that choice away...

[lord_of_rage]

But they took that choice away...

Lets hope its a glitch.

[Angelus_dead]

No it doesnt. The choice is still there. If you choose the feat 4 times. Well you made the choice. Regardless if its the most optimal. The choice still remains.

Being able to recognize that fallacy is the mark of a skilled game designer. The paradox of choice has been heavily documented.

[Ayseifn]

Did you submit a bug report? The release notes still mention you can take it multiple times.

[AylinIsAwesome]

When I first saw Opportunist, I was trying to decide if I wanted to take 3x or 4x Opportunist.

When I saw the release notes and it added -10% Fortification...no contest. There's no choice there at all.

The only feat that could have competed before was Improved Evasion. Now it can't. The other three Rogue bonus feats weren't choices with the old version Eladrin told us about last week, let alone with the new buff to it.


So I do hope only being able to take it once is intentional. However, I also hope they let Crippling Strike actually work in Epic to make it worth the slot.

[Glenalth]

No it doesnt. The choice is still there. If you choose the feat 4 times. Well you made the choice. Regardless if its the most optimal. The choice still remains.

I can see most people dropping everything except Imp. Evasion for it, and even then it's a tough choice to keep Imp. Evasion. The one option is just so much better than the rest that it is no longer a choice for most of those slots.

If they do limit it to 1, it would be nice to see it bumped up to 5%.

[Dandonk]

No it doesnt. The choice is still there. If you choose the feat 4 times. Well you made the choice. Regardless if its the most optimal. The choice still remains.

Well, I could also make a barb with skill focus in listen, diplo, swim, and so on. that's a choice. But if one choice is overwhelmingly worse than another, it's not really a choice.

[Glenalth]

Well, I could also make a barb with skill focus in listen, diplo, swim, and so on. that's a choice. But if one choice is overwhelmingly worse than another, it's not really a choice.

Cake or death?

[lord_of_rage]

Well, I could also make a barb with skill focus in listen, diplo, swim, and so on. that's a choice. But if one choice is overwhelmingly worse than another, it's not really a choice.

But again the choice is still there. It still exists. The other feats may not be as optimal as 4x opportunist feats, but you still have the choice. Regardless of if its worse or better.

[dormetheus]

Cake or death?

Yeahh... It seems we've run all out of cake

[Oliaga]

But again the choice is still there. It still exists. The other feats may not be as optimal as 4x opportunist feats, but you still have the choice. Regardless of if its worse or better.

Your argument is moot. Opportunist being able to be taken more then once is bad design.

Let's hope it's not a glitch.

Definitely not looking forward to 4x Opportunist rogues everywhere.

[Deathseeker]

I'd like to see it start at 1%, and each subsequent selection of it raise it by 1% more (ie 1%, 2%, 3%, then 4%). You could in theory take a total of 10%, but it would make selecting it multiple times a little more of a decision...

10% DS
6% DS and Improved Evasion
3% DS, Improved Evasion and Crippling Strike
1% DS, Improved Evasion, Crippling Strike, 1 of (Def Rol, Double Enchant save, +1 skills)

I think the above is a pretty interesting choice to have to make, and fairly well balanced.

[trespasser]

Anyone else think that 40% fort reduction and 12% double strike is a bit too much?

[Angelus_dead]

I'd like to see it start at 1%, and each subsequent selection of it raise it by 1% more (ie 1%, 2%, 3%, then 4%). You could in theory take a total of 10%, but it would make selecting it multiple times a little more of a decision...

That would be worse (and less of a decision) than allowing 4x Opportunist at 3% each.

The version announced in the release notes is bad because it allows stacking Opportunist linearly... your suggestion would make Opportunist stack super-linearly, meaning that the more Opportunist you already had, the more you'd benefit from having another. That makes it less justifiable for someone to consider the non-Opportunist feats.

It's notable that in D&D 3.5 rules, the Font of Inspiration feat (for Factotums) made that very same mistake. Each additional FOI gave a bigger improvement the more FOI you already had, so Factotum builds were pretty much all FOI for every feat.

Edit:
Actually, the next best thing to allowing only one Opportunist would be to make each additional Opportunist give less of a benefit than the first one did. Sublinear. 3% doublestrike for one, 5% for two, 6% for three, etc. That way, someone could decide for 4x Opp to get maximum DPS, but he'd only be a tiny bit better than having 3x or 2x Opp, making those other builds into more competitive choices.

[Heronous]

cake Or Death?

+1!