Paladins gain Intimidate

[AylinIsAwesome]

just a plain lesser heart why should they get a +3?

Because the entire reason I splashed two levels of Fighter on my tank was for Intimidate.

[Quikster]

Im against a +3 but its not that huge of a deal. Nobody passed me a +6 for my ranger splashes when the attack nerf came into play. We didnt get free respects for all the splashes when capstones were introduced/changed.

You multi classed in a dynamic game. Things happen. If you want to dump the splash, you buy it.

Personally I just think palys should be able to go to the trainer once for a free skill point respec, but the code for that would prolly screw something up

[BlackRage]

How will this affect current paladins? Will we need to purchase an expensive Lesser Heart of Wood in order to make this adjustment?

I completely agree, although as a funny aside, I originally asked this when Eladrin first suggested it and was down rep'd for it

Not that I care the least about the rep, but it was funny to see the absolute lack of understanding that this 'buff' would cause. Once again Turbine has 'fixed' our characters in a way that results in us paying them MORE money... Perhaps I am the only that recalls Turbine saying that the DDOS would never drive game development. Typical

When in the history of DDO has turbine ever offered any kind of free respec when they change something like this?

While I can see why you would want one lets be honest here. Why the hell would they give you something that they can charge for? If your counting on them to do the semi-decent thing you might as well trying to milk Pepsi from a cow cause it aint gonna happen.

Rogues. They received 3 FREE feat respecs for their Special Abilities at Rog10/13/16 - but the respecs themselves could be spent on anything.

Indeed, as pointed out, Paladin's SHOULD receive a Lesser3 Heart to allow them to respec their skills and dump non-class levels they might have used to get Intimidate in the first place. If they choose to use it for something else, that is the players call - NOT Turbine's.

As for whether I suspect Turbine to do the right thing? No of course not - they will continue their typical despicable business practices

[butlerfamilywa]

I completely agree, although as a funny aside, I originally asked this when Eladrin first suggested it and was down rep'd for it

Not that I care the least about the rep, but it was funny to see the absolute lack of understanding that this 'buff' would cause. Once again Turbine has 'fixed' our characters in a way that results in us paying them MORE money... Perhaps I am the only that recalls Turbine saying that the DDOS would never drive game development. Typical



Rogues. They received 3 FREE feat respecs for their Special Abilities at Rog10/13/16 - but the respecs themselves could be spent on anything.

Indeed, as pointed out, Paladin's SHOULD receive a Lesser3 Heart to allow them to respec their skills and dump non-class levels they might have used to get Intimidate in the first place. If they choose to use it for something else, that is the players call - NOT Turbine's.

As for whether I suspect Turbine to do the right thing? No of course not - they will continue their typical despicable business practices

Turbine did not force players to take 2 levels of fighter to gain a skill that, at the time, was not a Paladin skill. I don't believe that Turbine needs to make it FREE for players to fix their own builds. If you want it fixed, TR. It will give you the chance to go pure, as well as either 34 or 36 points, or at the worst, another 36 pointer, with an extra bonus to your incoming healing.

Either way, you will be able to loot Lesser Hearts from chests, as well as still turn in Dungeon Tokens for True Hearts, both choice leave you without paying a dime. You spend at least 2 months grinding the shroud to get 2x Tier 3 Greensteel items on your Paladin, so go grind a Lesser Heart.

[BlackRage]

Higher self buffed ac

This will depend upon DEX; everything else is correct.

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Seriously though, the only thing a SD really had going for them was that they could hit intims higher than their DoS counterparts. With this added not only does a DoS have better AC and a choice between massive DR/resistance/healingamp and the regular defensive stance but now has comparable intim to a SD as well.

SD still has higher Intim (indeed as does Kensai)

They gave an additional thing to palys, they didn't take anything away. Your paly is no worse with this change, and no better than it was before the change, so why should you get a free respec out of it? You can potentially make it better with the respec, but the change as it stands didn't do anything to existing palys.

This is completely incorrect. My Dawrf Pal20 (still waiting for Dwarven Defender!) went from 23 Skill points in Intimdate to 11.5 skill points in Intim... A half rank is NOT EVEN POSSIBLE ON A PURE CLASS SKILL. Where pray tell are my other 11.5 skill points?!?!? Pretty sure losing half of ones skill points is a major 'taking something away'.

Really? Never in the history of DDO? So when they finally fixed evasion you could "adjust" your toon without re-rolling? Oh thats right you couldn't.

A completely different situation. Despite the Evasion nerf, it was not removed and your character still had it; however, it would now only work in no/light armor - something you could EASILY adjust to be merely taking off your armor

Such hearts of wood should have a 30day expiry date (and be BTC), so they are actually used for adjusting characters based on a recent change, rather than hoarded for future use.

Terrible idea and really bad call. Guy does not log in for a month and loses his chance to respec? How dumb is that? I can accept BtC but they should have no expiry (the feat respecs where this way).

[Barumar]

Because the entire reason I splashed two levels of Fighter on my tank was for Intimidate.

One of my Pallys did that 2 Fighter level splash as well. The +1 to STR was nice, as is the Fighter Attack Boost, but having Zeal sooner (am lvl 16 = 14 + 2) and going back to pure would be nice.

I will wait until Mod 7 ships to Lesser +3 though, just in case...

As far as free respecs, I think the Turbine Store was the death of anything free! Especially as now there is a 1/1,000,000 (just guessing - don't quote me ) chance of looting one from a chest in game.

Pure Pally with Intimidate as a class skill here I come.

Now, being able to get that +2 for the 600 total favor I already got - that would be nice...

Barumar

[captainker]

I see that no one answered my question, so I guess I'll ask it again, is intimidate implemented as a class skill for paladins in the update 7 content on Lamannia?

[shadow_419]

I see that no one answered my question, so I guess I'll ask it again, is intimidate implemented as a class skill for paladins in the update 7 content on Lamannia?

Yes.

[captainker]

Thank you! I didn't see it in the release notes anywhere, and I was wanting to build a paladin, so I'm glad to know they're at least poking around with it on Lamannia.

[Waukeen]

excellent.

action pt enhancement line for this?
will DoS give bonuses as well?
if so, really THANK YOU and ill see the other pallys at the top after my TRs

[Quikster]

This will depend upon DEX; everything else is correct.

Actually it depends on several things, but all things being equal, the paly can self buff higher.

SD still has higher Intim (indeed as does Kensai)

Which is why i said comparable. A pure paly can now buff high enough to get everything but the highest bosses (Elite HoX Epic DQ) thats worth intimidating. They can also do it with cha providing more than it will for a fighter (this argument is for pure as there no point arguing a fighter splash as they could always max intim)

[Quikster]

I see that no one answered my question, so I guess I'll ask it again, is intimidate implemented as a class skill for paladins in the update 7 content on Lamannia?

Considering this discussion spurred due to the U7 release notes I would say yes.

[Jendrak]

Rogues. They received 3 FREE feat respecs for their Special Abilities at Rog10/13/16 - but the respecs themselves could be spent on anything.

And as i already stated in a later post I forgot about this but a one time deal does not change their precident. Try actually reading all the posts in a thread instead of skimming through to find the parts you wanna try and pick out.

SD still has higher Intim (indeed as does Kensai)

Once again you try and pick apart one piece instead of the whole thing. Here i highlighted the parts you apperantly missed the first time.

Great idea...can anyone else think of a way to completly screw all SD's over.

Seriously though, the only thing a SD really had going for them was that they could hit intims higher than their DoS counterparts. With this added not only does a DoS have better AC and a choice between massive DR/resistance/healingamp and the regular defensive stance but now has comparable intim to a SD as well.

No, pallys should not get anything else added to this until something is done to buff up SD. Simply because if they dont get it SD is going to be the deep wood sniper of the meele's.

Since you either didnt understand our were too lazy to even try I was reffering to the fact that if they added a skill enhancment (like Narcissistic_Martyr suggested) then fighters wouldnt have a higher intim.

/facepalm and when your reading comprehension fails again.......... ill be waiting

[Ranmaru2]

Considering this discussion spurred due to the U7 release notes I would say yes.

Some people treat Release notes as TL;DR and expect others to confirm it for em...

[BlackRage]

And as i already stated in a later post I forgot about this but a one time deal does not change their precident. Try actually reading all the posts in a thread instead of skimming through to find the parts you wanna try and pick out.



Once again you try and pick apart one piece instead of the whole thing. Here i highlighted the parts you apperantly missed the first time.



Since you either didnt understand our were too lazy to even try I was reffering to the fact that if they added a skill enhancment (like Narcissistic_Martyr suggested) then fighters wouldnt have a higher intim.

/facepalm and when your reading comprehension fails again.......... ill be waiting

The only failure here is you - epicly in fact

First, the Rogue feats were not a one time thing - guess you forgot that too...

Next, SD (and Kensai) have higher Intim STILL. If you cannot grasp this simple fact, then I guess you can keep on /facepalm since it is apparently doing a great job of destroying braincells. I could also point out that SD still remains top AC, but felt given it would pretty much gimp the build I could over look that error.

Finally, if you continue to post incorrect information, I will be waiting - cheers!

[SteeleTrueheart]

excellent.

action pt enhancement line for this? Yes Paladins now have an intimidate enhancement line
will DoS give bonuses as well? Ooops forgot to check, will look later
if so, really THANK YOU and ill see the other pallys at the top after my TRs

I bought a +3 heart when they were on sale since I had heard Eladrin say they were thinking of intimidate and paladins. Fortunately it was in my backpack when I transferred to llamaland so I LR'd into a 20 level pali and took intim.

Paladins gain a 1/1/1/1 line of intimidate enhancements.

Will check DoS later but I did not notice any change when I glanced at it.

EDIT: No intim bonus from DoS

[Uska]

Because the entire reason I splashed two levels of Fighter on my tank was for Intimidate.

the rangers didn't get 2 +3 when they nerfted tempest so I still say a plain heart just so you can get the proper lvl of intim for skill points spent you would still gain since you wouldnt have to spend 2 for one on paladin lvls.

[Uska]

I completely agree, although as a funny aside, I originally asked this when Eladrin first suggested it and was down rep'd for it

Not that I care the least about the rep, but it was funny to see the absolute lack of understanding that this 'buff' would cause. Once again Turbine has 'fixed' our characters in a way that results in us paying them MORE money... Perhaps I am the only that recalls Turbine saying that the DDOS would never drive game development. Typical



Rogues. They received 3 FREE feat respecs for their Special Abilities at Rog10/13/16 - but the respecs themselves could be spent on anything.

Indeed, as pointed out, Paladin's SHOULD receive a Lesser3 Heart to allow them to respec their skills and dump non-class levels they might have used to get Intimidate in the first place. If they choose to use it for something else, that is the players call - NOT Turbine's.

As for whether I suspect Turbine to do the right thing? No of course not - they will continue their typical despicable business practices

Normaly I slap the fire out of those complaining about getting neg rep but incases like yours I dont like it so +1 though think it should be just a plain heart.

[IronClan]

hmmm how will it effect current paladins .. it will make them worth taking into parties so its great for them ..

how will it effect current fighters .. it means defender builds are screwed ... totally useless now ... unless i am missing something ...

Paladins now will have higher intimidate ... on top of higher AC ... do more dps due smites ... higher umd because of cha base ...

I just wonder how crazy the palidan nerf is gonna be in update 8 to make up for it?

Eh? Last I saw Paladins get 7 feats while fighters get, what 18? While I agree they could stand to buff SD a little with maybe a bonus to AC AP line that requires SD PrE, calling a SD useless is just one of those silly exaggerations people like to do on the forums because I guess if they don't state something in a earth shattering negative tone then no one will "rabble rabble" to their cause.

Without the CHA investment fighters have better min maxed attributes... more points for con and str, but also more points for DEX which makes filling out that max DEX bonus made by Armor mastery + SD more viable... Otherwise only a Dwarven Pali is going to have better AC than a well built SD. and that's only due to the AC aura; AND it assumes the Dwarf Pali is sacrificing more DPS for AC than the SD by putting starting points into DEX AND Charisma, where the fighter only needs Dex and can dump stat CHA.

Useless? No... Before the intim change SD was the better tank PrE by a good bit, it still gives the better Intim... it just doesn't have the Pali AC aura. So better intim or better AC and less intim... Trade offs and hard choices instead of clear cut easy choices... 11 more feats to work with and a slightly less powerfull PrE, and a much easier starting ability stat distribution than Pali's does not = useless... And it sure as hell doesn't make SD "deep woods sniper" as someone put it.

[Uska]

Turbine did not force players to take 2 levels of fighter to gain a skill that, at the time, was not a Paladin skill. I don't believe that Turbine needs to make it FREE for players to fix their own builds. If you want it fixed, TR. It will give you the chance to go pure, as well as either 34 or 36 points, or at the worst, another 36 pointer, with an extra bonus to your incoming healing.

Either way, you will be able to loot Lesser Hearts from chests, as well as still turn in Dungeon Tokens for True Hearts, both choice leave you without paying a dime. You spend at least 2 months grinding the shroud to get 2x Tier 3 Greensteel items on your Paladin, so go grind a Lesser Heart.

no but in this case they would be losing out on full value of skill points spent so they should get a lesser though I am against givng anything more then that and Yes I have a paladin