Muhammad Ali - 12 fighter/7 rogue/ 1 monk

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

"Did you think I was actually gonna play this thang, man!?" - Mississippee, err... Muhammad Ali

Calling all fighters!! I am seeking the help of all you fighters out there that have experience and success with mixed classing fighters (something I do have, but not to the level I'd like to have). For my next project, I am planning to go with this split. Please help me float like a butterfly, and sting like a bee....

I have a 3 versions, a human THFer, designed for build and player simplicity, and a human and a halfling (TWF) version designed for veterans of the fight game, who understand TWF offer more dps through more procs.. However, I'm having a good deal of difficulty deciding which race is best suited for me, for this build concept. I'll start with the two human builds, because I think they are the easiest to build and maintain, and are more survivable. For those who'd like to forgo human, stay tuned for halfling and drow versions (rapier) that may be suitable to your liking. I can also see dwarves fit in well here, since they get dwarven axes and can benefit from defensive enhancements of their own.

I love human for the self heal, extra feat, and HV (for to-hit and UMD).

Can you imagine a Kensei fighter that can pop his own heal scrolls (and overall great self-heal), get sick DPS via sneak attack, have good trapsmithing abilities, evasion, and have some AC to boot?

However, halflings get a few stackable dps enhancements that would synergise very nicely here.

I need all you expert fighters to weigh in. Up for discussion are race, skills, feats and enhancements. Please dont recommend different classes, unless you are going to keep it brief and have strong math backing you up.. I've narrowed my choices to either human or halfling.

Thanks to all who can help.

HUMAN THF: GREATAXE

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Muhammad Ali
Level 20 Lawful Good Human Male
(12 Fighter \ 1 Monk \ 7 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 364
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 17\17\22\27\27
Fortitude: 16
Reflex: 16
Will: 13

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    26
Dexterity            14                    16
Constitution         16                    18
Intelligence          8                    10
Wisdom               14                    16
Charisma              8                    10

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               6                    19
Bluff                -1                     2
Concentration         3                     6
Diplomacy            -1                     2
Disable Device        3                    23
Haggle               -1                     0
Heal                  2                     3
Hide                  6                     7
Intimidate           -1                     2
Jump                  7                    18
Listen                2                     3
Move Silently         2                     3
Open Lock             6                    16
Perform              n/a                    n/a
Repair               -1                      0
Search               -1                    17
Spot                  6                    0
Swim                  3                     8
Tumble                6                     7
Use Magic Device      3                    27

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Hide (+4)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Human Bonus) Two Handed Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Rapier
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortsword
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortbow
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Trapfinding
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I


Level 2 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Iron Will
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Breezes
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Candles
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Pebbles
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Puddles
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Kama
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Shuriken
Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves
Feat: (Automatic) Flurry of Blows
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Handaxe
Feat: (Automatic) Unarmed Strike
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Rogue Open Lock I


Level 3 (Fighter)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Stunning Blow
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Heavy Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Tower Shield Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Trip
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I


Level 4 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack
Enhancement: Human Versatility II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I


Level 5 (Fighter)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I


Level 6 (Fighter)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II


Level 7 (Fighter)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II


Level 8 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Handed Fighting
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II


Level 9 (Fighter)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Use Magic Device
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III


Level 10 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II


Level 11 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+6)
Skill: Open Lock (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Evasion
Enhancement: Kensei Greataxe Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Greataxe Specialization I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I


Level 12 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+3)
Skill: Disable Device (+5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Automatic) Trap Sense
Enhancement: Human Versatility III


Level 13 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Trapmaking
Feat: (Automatic) Uncanny Dodge
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II


Level 14 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Spot (+5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II


Level 15 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting
Enhancement: Human Versatility IV


Level 16 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Resilience
Enhancement: Fighter Strength III


Level 17 (Fighter)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 18 (Fighter)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Selected) Lightning Reflexes
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery III


Level 19 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+3)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II


Level 20 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+2)
Skill: Spot (+5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Kensei Greataxe Mastery II
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Mastery I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I

HUMAN TWF: DUAL KOPESH

For all you veterans out there, and anyone truly feeling froggie, here's my TWF variant. Massive DPS, self heal, UMD, & evasion. This fighter has amazing resilience, taking advantage of enhancements and feats to build a much more survivable melee than your typical pure bread fighter, barbarian, or rogue. Rangers have been used to fill this role many times, but I was looking for something a bit more in tune with today's DDO.

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Muhammad Ali
Level 20 Lawful Good Human Male
(12 Fighter \ 1 Monk \ 7 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 322
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 17\17\22\27\27
Fortitude: 15
Reflex: 15
Will: 13

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    28
Dexterity            16                    18
Constitution         14                    16
Intelligence          8                    10
Wisdom               14                    16
Charisma              8                    10

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 20

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               7                    15
Bluff                -1                     2
Concentration         2                     5
Diplomacy            -1                     2
Disable Device        3                    23
Haggle               -1                     0
Heal                  2                     3
Hide                  3                     4
Intimidate           -1                     2
Jump                  7                    13
Listen                2                     3
Move Silently         3                     4
Open Lock             7                    12
Perform              n/a                    n/a
Repair               -1                     0
Search                3                    18
Spot                  6                    18
Swim                  3                     9
Tumble                4                     5
Use Magic Device      3                    23

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Human Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Rapier
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortsword
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortbow
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Trapfinding
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device I
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I


Level 2 (Fighter)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Heavy Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Tower Shield Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Trip
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I


Level 3 (Fighter)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I


Level 4 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Human Versatility II


Level 5 (Fighter)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II


Level 6 (Fighter)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II


Level 7 (Fighter)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Stunning Blow
Enhancement: Kensei Khopesh Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I


Level 8 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+6)
Skill: Open Lock (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Evasion
Enhancement: Human Versatility III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I


Level 9 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+2)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Spot (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Trap Sense
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II


Level 10 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II


Level 11 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Human Versatility IV


Level 12 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy III


Level 13 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III


Level 14 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Rogue Wrack Construct I


Level 15 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei II


Level 16 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Search (+3)
Skill: Spot (+5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Trapmaking
Feat: (Automatic) Uncanny Dodge


Level 17 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Search (+5)
Skill: Spot (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength III


Level 18 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+2)
Skill: Open Lock (+2)
Skill: Search (+2)
Skill: Spot (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Resilience
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II


Level 19 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+7)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III


Level 20 (Monk)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+3)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Iron Will
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Breezes
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Candles
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Pebbles
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Puddles
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Kama
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Shuriken
Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves
Feat: (Automatic) Flurry of Blows
Feat: (Automatic) Unarmed Strike

Why Muhammad Ali? Why these classes? Surprisingly fast for a fighter. The 3 classes represent that Ali was the world heavyweight champion three times. Mike Tyson, Earnie Shavers, or George Foreman would be 20 barbarians without a doubt. This guys not a one punch KO artist, but can drop you in a flash when he can get you to fight, HIS fight.

Ali was cagey, one of the greatest counter punchers that ever lived. He lived on the edges of the ring, using the entire ring to his advantage. Seldom would you see him strike first. His most meaningful punches you would barely see. Amazing endurance and self heal abilities for such a large man. Sound like I can either be talking about the Real Ali or this character?

That's the idea I'd like to build on. Thank you in advance for any insight ya'll can give...

[Braegan]

Looks pretty good. For point of reference I linked my TR also a 12/7/1 split.

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=225708


Aside from the TWF/THF preference, I'd say you can safely lower con to 14 and give a boost to int for more skills. It's a nice boost to diversity that allow you to be decent dps, intim and no fail umd heal scrolls. Otherwise, it's a great split with good synergy.

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

Ok... Here comes the Ali shuffle.

Updating the OP to include the Human TWF kopesh variant. He's looking to be quite the beast.

[Mangloid]

Human TWF-Rework for you

A few suggestions:
1) take a rogue level every 3rd level. your skill points will flow more evenly and you'll still maintain trap viability. It's not as fun as rushing to get to Kensi, but you're building for end game, not mid level
2) take monk at level 9. At 9 you should have access to a +4 wisdom item. This along with AC bracers should put you on par or exceed your AC from armor.

Differences:
1) I reworked starting the starting stats. Dropped Str and Dex from 16 to 15 and Pumped Int from 8 to 12.
2)I picked up the Rogue Assassin I pestige feat for some extra back stab damage.
3) I skipped spot all together in favor of rounding out other skills.
---Your UMD 23 My UMD26
---Your Search 18 My Search25
---Your Disable 23 My Disable25
---Your Open Lock 12 My Open Lock26
---Your Balance 15 My Balance18
---Your Jump13 My Jump28
4) I reworked your feats. I removed Resilience, Imp Crit bludg., and Stunning Blow. I AddedPower Attack, Combat Exp., and Skill Focus UMD.
You could always swap back in Stunning blow in the place of Combat Exp since it is pretty nice to have


Maybe something more like this:

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Level 20 Lawful Neutral Human Male
(12 Fighter \ 1 Monk \ 7 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 322
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 17\17\22\27\27
Fortitude: 15
Reflex: 16
Will: 13

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             15                    26
Dexterity            15                    20
Constitution         14                    16
Intelligence         12                    14
Wisdom               14                    16
Charisma              8                    10

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               6                    18
Bluff                 1                     6
Concentration         2                     5
Diplomacy            -1                     2
Disable Device        5                    25
Haggle                3                     4
Heal                  4                     5
Hide                  2                     9
Intimidate           -1                     2
Jump                  6                    28
Listen                2                     3
Move Silently         2                     9
Open Lock             6                    26
Perform              n/a                    n/a
Repair                1                     2
Search                5                    25
Spot                  6                     7
Swim                  2                     8
Tumble                4                     7
Use Magic Device      3                    26

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Bluff (+2)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Haggle (+4)
Skill: Heal (+2)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Human Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 2 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh


Level 3 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Use Magic Device
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 4 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+3)


Level 5 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)


Level 6 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Iron Will
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons


Level 7 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+3)


Level 8 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)


Level 9 (Monk)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+3)
Skill: Search (+1)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 10 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 11 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)


Level 12 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting


Level 13 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 14 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Open Lock (+2)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+3)


Level 15 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 16 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack


Level 17 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Open Lock (+3)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+3)


Level 18 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Combat Expertise


Level 19 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons


Level 20 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+6)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+3)
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Kensei Khopesh Mastery I
Enhancement: Kensei Khopesh Mastery II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei II
Enhancement: Fighter Khopesh Specialization I
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Dexterity I
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
Enhancement: Rogue Hide I
Enhancement: Rogue Hide II
Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently I
Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently II
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength III
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III

[Vengenance]

Just curious, what does 7 levels of rogue give you over just 6 levels? I haven't played a rogue since the level cap was 14, but I recall that you get 1D6 SA every 3 levels so the break point would be rogue 6 not 7. Just thinking a better split might be 12 Ftr/6 Rogue/2 Monk for the extra feat.

[Mangloid]

Just curious, what does 7 levels of rogue give you over just 6 levels? I haven't played a rogue since the level cap was 14, but I recall that you get 1D6 SA every 3 levels so the break point would be rogue 6 not 7. Just thinking a better split might be 12 Ftr/6 Rogue/2 Monk for the extra feat.

7th gives you a total Sneak Attack of +4d6

http://ddowiki.com/page/Rogue

[Bilger]

Just curious, what does 7 levels of rogue give you over just 6 levels? I haven't played a rogue since the level cap was 14, but I recall that you get 1D6 SA every 3 levels so the break point would be rogue 6 not 7. Just thinking a better split might be 12 Ftr/6 Rogue/2 Monk for the extra feat.

Every odd lvl gives 1d6 so at 20 have 10d6 before capstone or anything else that adds to it.

So at 7 gets 1d6 more sneak attack couple enhancements and such. Another monk gains 1 feat and evasion (already has from rogue)and on this build not needed.

[Consumer]

8 Charisma is not = to Ali.

[Vengenance]

Every odd lvl gives 1d6 so at 20 have 10d6 before capstone or anything else that adds to it.

So at 7 gets 1d6 more sneak attack couple enhancements and such. Another monk gains 1 feat and evasion (already has from rogue)and on this build not needed.

Nice, just looked it up on DDO.wiki, 7 levels of rogue gives you 4d6 SA damage (very nice). For some reason I was thinking the SA progression was 1,3,6,9,12,...and so on. Seems like even after so many years playing I can still learn something new.

[AylinIsAwesome]

With a name like Muhammad Ali, your Fighter needs to go unarmed, not using weapons.

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

8 Charisma is not = to Ali.

Haha, true but we live in a surreal fantasy world. Deal.

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

With a name like Muhammad Ali, your Fighter needs to go unarmed, not using weapons.

If this were EA's Fight Night, and not DDO, that might be a little easier to pull off!

But since its not, you are just going to have to imagine that Ali is dual wielding kopeshes or other weapons of the trade.

Besides, nothing says I can't strip down to my "Elderan undies" and use fisticuffs, but would you REALLY want to see that, now?

[voodoogroves]

With full STR to each hand, yes I would.

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

With full STR to each hand, yes I would.

With ONE level of monk?

[AylinIsAwesome]

With ONE level of monk?

Yes.


Full STR bonus on both hands
+12% attack speed
Saves a feat from not buying Khopesh
More "boxer-like"
+2.5% Doublestrike or +2 STR from stance
+10 Stunning Wraps + Stunning Blow for Epic fun times.

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

Yes.

Full STR bonus on both hands
+12% attack speed
Saves a feat from not buying Khopesh
More "boxer-like"
+2.5% Doublestrike or +2 STR from stance
+10 Stunning Wraps + Stunning Blow for Epic fun times.

Ahhh yes, the new "classic" stunner build. Hmmm, so what would you do? Lemmie see, change STR to 18, switch slashing to bludgeon. Use a greensteel slasher in main hand an a warhammer +10 stunning in the off.

Not bad! Not really my style of play... but I definitely like what you suggest, and didnt even think of this alternative. I know how nice stunning is, especially in epics. Personally monk melee is not my thing, so if you, or anyone would like to post a build with this class split, that may be helpful to some.

[Bardicus]

uh, you totally misunderstood the point. You only get the benefits listed if you fight unarmed - so no greensteel slasher and warhammer in your offhand.

You should have higher dps and better stunning potential with a set of handwraps and a pair of ToD rings than with dual khopesh

For reference: forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=243485

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

uh, you totally misunderstood the point. You only get the benefits listed if you fight unarmed - so no greensteel slasher and warhammer in your offhand.

Ahh, my bad. Thank you very much for link. Ok I glanced over the build and its a nice way to go, but not what I had in mind. Slightlly different playstyle. I prefer the options greensteel give you. I will be using weapons on my build, no question about it.

I will not downplay going with that build however, nice either way

[AylinIsAwesome]

Here's a quick version I threw up.


It deviates heavily from your theme though.


My playstyle is a lot more "I want the aggro" which doesn't mesh so well with all those Rogue levels, so I switched to 12 Fighter/7 Monk/1 Rogue (kept it for UMD).

Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.5.1
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Level 20 Lawful Neutral Warforged Female
(12 Fighter \ 7 Monk \ 1 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 398
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 17\17\22\27\27
Fortitude: 17
Reflex: 14
Will: 8

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
Strength             16                 24                   27
Dexterity            15                 17                   17
Constitution         16                 18                   18
Intelligence         14                 16                   16
Wisdom                8                  8                    8
Charisma              6                  6                    6

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 20

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills        Base Skills        Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)          (Level 20)          (Level 20)
Balance               6                 12                   12
Bluff                -2                 -2                    0
Concentration         5                 27                   31
Diplomacy            -2                 -2                    0
Disable Device        n/a               n/a                   n/a
Haggle                2                  2                    2
Heal                 -1                 -1                   -1
Hide                  2                  3                    3
Intimidate            2                 21                   27
Jump                  7                 13                   13
Listen                3                  3                    3
Move Silently         2                  3                    3
Open Lock             6                  7                    7
Perform              n/a               n/a                   n/a
Repair                2                  3                    3
Search                2                  3                    3
Spot                  3                  3                    3
Swim                  3                  8                    8
Tumble                6                  7                    7
Use Magic Device      2                 21                   24

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Haggle (+4)
Skill: Intimidate (+4)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Listen (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Composite Plating
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Light Fortification
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Rapier
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortsword
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortbow
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Trapfinding
Feat: (Automatic) Warforged Resistances


Level 2 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+3)
Skill: Intimidate (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Breezes
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Candles
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Pebbles
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Puddles
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Kama
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Shuriken
Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves
Feat: (Automatic) Flurry of Blows
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Handaxe
Feat: (Automatic) Unarmed Strike


Level 3 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Stunning Blow
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Evasion
Feat: (Automatic) Meditation
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip


Level 4 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Bludgeoning Weapons
Feat: (Automatic) Heavy Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Tower Shield Proficiency


Level 5 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1.5)
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Harmonious Balance: Fists of Light
Feat: (Automatic) Fast Movement
Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves: Path of Harmonious Balance (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves: Path of Inevitable Dominion (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Still Mind


Level 6 (Monk)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Use Magic Device
Feat: (Automatic) Ki Strike: Magic
Feat: (Automatic) Slow Fall


Level 7 (Fighter)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Quick Draw


Level 8 (Monk)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1.5)
Feat: (Automatic) AC Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Ki Strike: Damage
Feat: (Automatic) Purity of Body


Level 9 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack


Level 10 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Wholeness of Body


Level 11 (Fighter)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 12 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Specialization: Bludgeoning Weapons


Level 13 (Fighter)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 14 (Fighter)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 15 (Fighter)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Intimidate


Level 16 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Bludgeoning Weapons


Level 17 (Fighter)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 18 (Fighter)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Brutal Throw
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 19 (Fighter)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 20 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Bludgeoning Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Extra Action Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost IV
Enhancement: Kensei Unarmed Mastery I
Enhancement: Kensei Unarmed Mastery II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei II
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) I
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) II
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) III
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) IV
Enhancement: Fighter Unarmed Specialization I
Enhancement: Ten Thousand Stars
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortoise I
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortoise II
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Adept of Wind
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Fighter Intimidate I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength III
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II
Enhancement: Warforged Brute Fighting I
Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend I
Enhancement: Warforged Power Attack I
Enhancement: Warforged Power Attack II
Enhancement: Warforged Power Attack III
Enhancement: Warforged Tactics I
Enhancement: Warforged Tactics II

(Would have busted it out of the planner and done a proper format, but whatever...)


Some quick gear:

Epic Claw Set
Dragontouched Docent (10% healing amp, 20% healing amp, 20% hate)
Shintao Monk set
Epic Cape of the Roc
Bloodstone



Healing Amp:

.65 (Healer's Friend 1) * 1.1 (Monk Improved Recovery 1) * 1.1 (DT Docent) * 1.2 (DT Docent) * 1.3 (Epic Claw Gloves) = 122% Healing Amp

UMD:

22 Ranks
3 Skill Focus
1 CHA mod (with +6 item)
4 Greater Heroism
1 Big Top
3 Golden Cartouche
= 34 (easy)

+2 7-Fingered Gloves
+2 Epic Big Top
+6 Shroud CHA Skills item
= 44 (max self-buffed)

Stunning Blow DC:

10 Base
13 STR bonus
2 Kensei Bonus
2 Warforged Tactics
4 Fighter Tactics
10 Stunning Wraps
=41 DC

+ 4 Power Surge
+ 1 Fire Stance
+ 1 Rage
+ 2 Double Madstone Proc
+ 3 Gloves of Titan's Grip clickie
= 52 max-buffed DC

Intimidate:

23 ranks
1 CHA mod (+6 item)
4 Greater Heroism
3 Skill Focus
2 Kensei Bonus
1 Fighter Enhancement
15 Item
5 Epic Gloves
= 54

+6 CHA skills item
=60

Should be good enough for any non-Epic boss and pretty much all trash.



HP:

20 Heroic Durability
140 CON bonus
120 Fighter Levels
6 Rogue Level
56 Monk Levels
20 Racial Toughness
20 Fighter Toughness
66 Toughness Feats
45 Shroud Item
30 Greater False Life
=523 Standing

+20 Rage
+80 Double Madstone Rage
=623 DPS buffed

+40 Yugoloth Pot
+20 Earth Stance
=683 Max HP

+20 +3 CON Tome and +1 Exceptional CON somewhere
= 703 Real Max HP


EDIT: -20 on the HP if in Wind. (Nothing was calculated using Monk stances)

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

Ay, thank you very much for that. Definitely solid, and since I'm not anywhere near an expert on that build/playstyle, better you than me to post it.