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    Default Muhammad Ali - 12 fighter/7 rogue/ 1 monk



    "Did you think I was actually gonna play this thang, man!?" - Mississippee, err... Muhammad Ali

    Calling all fighters!! I am seeking the help of all you fighters out there that have experience and success with mixed classing fighters (something I do have, but not to the level I'd like to have). For my next project, I am planning to go with this split. Please help me float like a butterfly, and sting like a bee....


    I have a 3 versions, a human THFer, designed for build and player simplicity, and a human and a halfling (TWF) version designed for veterans of the fight game, who understand TWF offer more dps through more procs.. However, I'm having a good deal of difficulty deciding which race is best suited for me, for this build concept. I'll start with the two human builds, because I think they are the easiest to build and maintain, and are more survivable. For those who'd like to forgo human, stay tuned for halfling and drow versions (rapier) that may be suitable to your liking. I can also see dwarves fit in well here, since they get dwarven axes and can benefit from defensive enhancements of their own.

    I love human for the self heal, extra feat, and HV (for to-hit and UMD).

    Can you imagine a Kensei fighter that can pop his own heal scrolls (and overall great self-heal), get sick DPS via sneak attack, have good trapsmithing abilities, evasion, and have some AC to boot?

    However, halflings get a few stackable dps enhancements that would synergise very nicely here.

    I need all you expert fighters to weigh in. Up for discussion are race, skills, feats and enhancements. Please dont recommend different classes, unless you are going to keep it brief and have strong math backing you up.. I've narrowed my choices to either human or halfling.

    Thanks to all who can help.

    HUMAN THF: GREATAXE

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    Muhammad Ali
    Level 20 Lawful Good Human Male
    (12 Fighter \ 1 Monk \ 7 Rogue) 
    Hit Points: 364
    Spell Points: 0 
    BAB: 17\17\22\27\27
    Fortitude: 16
    Reflex: 16
    Will: 13
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
    Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
    (32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
    Strength             16                    26
    Dexterity            14                    16
    Constitution         16                    18
    Intelligence          8                    10
    Wisdom               14                    16
    Charisma              8                    10
    
    Tomes Used
    +2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                     Base Skills         Modified Skills
    Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
    Balance               6                    19
    Bluff                -1                     2
    Concentration         3                     6
    Diplomacy            -1                     2
    Disable Device        3                    23
    Haggle               -1                     0
    Heal                  2                     3
    Hide                  6                     7
    Intimidate           -1                     2
    Jump                  7                    18
    Listen                2                     3
    Move Silently         2                     3
    Open Lock             6                    16
    Perform              n/a                    n/a
    Repair               -1                      0
    Search               -1                    17
    Spot                  6                    0
    Swim                  3                     8
    Tumble                6                     7
    Use Magic Device      3                    27
    
    Level 1 (Rogue)
    Skill: Balance (+4)
    Skill: Disable Device (+4)
    Skill: Hide (+4)
    Skill: Jump (+4)
    Skill: Open Lock (+4)
    Skill: Spot (+4)
    Skill: Tumble (+4)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
    Feat: (Selected) Toughness
    Feat: (Human Bonus) Two Handed Fighting
    Feat: (Automatic) Attack
    Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
    Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
    Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Rapier
    Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortsword
    Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortbow
    Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
    Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
    Feat: (Automatic) Sneak Attack
    Feat: (Automatic) Trapfinding
    Enhancement: Human Versatility I
    Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
    
    
    Level 2 (Monk)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Jump (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Monk Bonus) Iron Will
    Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Breezes
    Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Candles
    Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Pebbles
    Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Puddles
    Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Kama
    Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Shuriken
    Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves
    Feat: (Automatic) Flurry of Blows
    Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Handaxe
    Feat: (Automatic) Unarmed Strike
    Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
    Enhancement: Rogue Open Lock I
    
    
    Level 3 (Fighter)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Stunning Blow
    Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
    Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
    Feat: (Automatic) Heavy Armor Proficiency
    Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
    Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency
    Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
    Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
    Feat: (Automatic) Tower Shield Proficiency
    Feat: (Automatic) Trip
    Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
    Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
    Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) I
    Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
    Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
    
    
    Level 4 (Fighter)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack
    Enhancement: Human Versatility II
    Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
    
    
    Level 5 (Fighter)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
    Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
    
    
    Level 6 (Fighter)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Toughness
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
    Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
    Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II
    
    
    Level 7 (Fighter)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
    Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
    
    
    Level 8 (Fighter)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Skill: Jump (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Handed Fighting
    Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
    
    
    Level 9 (Fighter)
    Skill: Jump (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Use Magic Device
    Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
    Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III
    
    
    Level 10 (Fighter)
    Skill: Balance (+0.5)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
    Enhancement: Fighter Strength II
    
    
    Level 11 (Rogue)
    Skill: Disable Device (+6)
    Skill: Open Lock (+2)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Automatic) Evasion
    Enhancement: Kensei Greataxe Mastery I
    Enhancement: Fighter Greataxe Specialization I
    Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
    
    
    Level 12 (Rogue)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Skill: Balance (+3)
    Skill: Disable Device (+5)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
    Feat: (Automatic) Trap Sense
    Enhancement: Human Versatility III
    
    
    Level 13 (Rogue)
    Skill: Balance (+2)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Open Lock (+5)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Automatic) Trapmaking
    Feat: (Automatic) Uncanny Dodge
    Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy III
    Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
    
    
    Level 14 (Rogue)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Open Lock (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+5)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
    
    
    Level 15 (Fighter)
    Skill: Balance (+0.5)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting
    Enhancement: Human Versatility IV
    
    
    Level 16 (Fighter)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Skill: Jump (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Resilience
    Enhancement: Fighter Strength III
    
    
    Level 17 (Fighter)
    Skill: Jump (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    
    
    Level 18 (Fighter)
    Skill: Jump (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
    Feat: (Selected) Lightning Reflexes
    Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery III
    
    
    Level 19 (Rogue)
    Skill: Balance (+3)
    Skill: Disable Device (+4)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
    Enhancement: Fighter Kensei II
    Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II
    
    
    Level 20 (Rogue)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Disable Device (+2)
    Skill: Spot (+5)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Enhancement: Kensei Greataxe Mastery II
    Enhancement: Fighter Armor Mastery I
    Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
    Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I
    HUMAN TWF: DUAL KOPESH

    For all you veterans out there, and anyone truly feeling froggie, here's my TWF variant. Massive DPS, self heal, UMD, & evasion. This fighter has amazing resilience, taking advantage of enhancements and feats to build a much more survivable melee than your typical pure bread fighter, barbarian, or rogue. Rangers have been used to fill this role many times, but I was looking for something a bit more in tune with today's DDO.

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    Muhammad Ali
    Level 20 Lawful Good Human Male
    (12 Fighter \ 1 Monk \ 7 Rogue) 
    Hit Points: 322
    Spell Points: 0 
    BAB: 17\17\22\27\27
    Fortitude: 15
    Reflex: 15
    Will: 13
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
    Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
    (32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
    Strength             16                    28
    Dexterity            16                    18
    Constitution         14                    16
    Intelligence          8                    10
    Wisdom               14                    16
    Charisma              8                    10
    
    Tomes Used
    +2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
    +3 Tome of Strength used at level 20
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                     Base Skills         Modified Skills
    Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
    Balance               7                    15
    Bluff                -1                     2
    Concentration         2                     5
    Diplomacy            -1                     2
    Disable Device        3                    23
    Haggle               -1                     0
    Heal                  2                     3
    Hide                  3                     4
    Intimidate           -1                     2
    Jump                  7                    13
    Listen                2                     3
    Move Silently         3                     4
    Open Lock             7                    12
    Perform              n/a                    n/a
    Repair               -1                     0
    Search                3                    18
    Spot                  6                    18
    Swim                  3                     9
    Tumble                4                     5
    Use Magic Device      3                    23
    
    Level 1 (Rogue)
    Skill: Balance (+4)
    Skill: Disable Device (+4)
    Skill: Jump (+4)
    Skill: Open Lock (+4)
    Skill: Search (+4)
    Skill: Spot (+4)
    Skill: Tumble (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
    Feat: (Selected) Toughness
    Feat: (Human Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting
    Feat: (Automatic) Attack
    Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
    Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
    Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Rapier
    Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortsword
    Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortbow
    Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
    Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
    Feat: (Automatic) Sneak Attack
    Feat: (Automatic) Trapfinding
    Enhancement: Human Versatility I
    Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
    Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device I
    Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I
    
    
    Level 2 (Fighter)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh
    Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
    Feat: (Automatic) Heavy Armor Proficiency
    Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
    Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency
    Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
    Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
    Feat: (Automatic) Tower Shield Proficiency
    Feat: (Automatic) Trip
    Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
    Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
    Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
    
    
    Level 3 (Fighter)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack
    Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
    Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
    Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
    
    
    Level 4 (Fighter)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
    Enhancement: Human Versatility II
    
    
    Level 5 (Fighter)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
    Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
    Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
    
    
    Level 6 (Fighter)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
    Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
    Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II
    
    
    Level 7 (Fighter)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Stunning Blow
    Enhancement: Kensei Khopesh Mastery I
    Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
    
    
    Level 8 (Rogue)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Skill: Disable Device (+6)
    Skill: Open Lock (+2)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Automatic) Evasion
    Enhancement: Human Versatility III
    Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
    
    
    Level 9 (Rogue)
    Skill: Disable Device (+2)
    Skill: Search (+4)
    Skill: Spot (+2)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
    Feat: (Automatic) Trap Sense
    Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
    
    
    Level 10 (Fighter)
    Skill: Balance (+0.5)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Enhancement: Fighter Strength II
    
    
    Level 11 (Fighter)
    Skill: Balance (+0.5)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
    Enhancement: Human Versatility IV
    
    
    Level 12 (Fighter)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Skill: Balance (+0.5)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
    Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy III
    
    
    Level 13 (Fighter)
    Skill: Balance (+0.5)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
    Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
    Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III
    
    
    Level 14 (Fighter)
    Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Enhancement: Rogue Wrack Construct I
    
    
    Level 15 (Fighter)
    Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons
    Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
    Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost III
    Enhancement: Fighter Kensei II
    
    
    Level 16 (Rogue)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Skill: Search (+3)
    Skill: Spot (+5)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Automatic) Trapmaking
    Feat: (Automatic) Uncanny Dodge
    
    
    Level 17 (Rogue)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Search (+5)
    Skill: Spot (+2)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
    Enhancement: Fighter Strength III
    
    
    Level 18 (Rogue)
    Skill: Disable Device (+2)
    Skill: Open Lock (+2)
    Skill: Search (+2)
    Skill: Spot (+2)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Resilience
    Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II
    
    
    Level 19 (Rogue)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Disable Device (+7)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
    
    
    Level 20 (Monk)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Skill: Balance (+3)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Monk Bonus) Iron Will
    Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Breezes
    Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Candles
    Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Pebbles
    Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Puddles
    Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Kama
    Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Shuriken
    Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves
    Feat: (Automatic) Flurry of Blows
    Feat: (Automatic) Unarmed Strike
    Why
    Muhammad Ali? Why these classes? Surprisingly fast for a fighter. The 3 classes represent that Ali was the world heavyweight champion three times. Mike Tyson, Earnie Shavers, or George Foreman would be 20 barbarians without a doubt. This guys not a one punch KO artist, but can drop you in a flash when he can get you to fight, HIS fight.

    Ali was cagey, one of the greatest counter punchers that ever lived. He lived on the edges of the ring, using the entire ring to his advantage. Seldom would you see him strike first. His most meaningful punches you would barely see. Amazing endurance and self heal abilities for such a large man. Sound like I can either be talking about the Real Ali or this character?

    That's the idea I'd like to build on. Thank you in advance for any insight ya'll can give...
    Last edited by LeslieWest_GuitarGod; 09-20-2010 at 05:01 PM.

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    Looks pretty good. For point of reference I linked my TR also a 12/7/1 split.

    http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=225708


    Aside from the TWF/THF preference, I'd say you can safely lower con to 14 and give a boost to int for more skills. It's a nice boost to diversity that allow you to be decent dps, intim and no fail umd heal scrolls. Otherwise, it's a great split with good synergy.
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    Ok... Here comes the Ali shuffle.

    Updating the OP to include the Human TWF kopesh variant. He's looking to be quite the beast.
    Last edited by LeslieWest_GuitarGod; 09-20-2010 at 03:25 PM.

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    Human TWF-Rework for you

    A few suggestions:
    1) take a rogue level every 3rd level. your skill points will flow more evenly and you'll still maintain trap viability. It's not as fun as rushing to get to Kensi, but you're building for end game, not mid level
    2) take monk at level 9. At 9 you should have access to a +4 wisdom item. This along with AC bracers should put you on par or exceed your AC from armor.

    Differences:
    1) I reworked starting the starting stats. Dropped Str and Dex from 16 to 15 and Pumped Int from 8 to 12.
    2)I picked up the Rogue Assassin I pestige feat for some extra back stab damage.
    3) I skipped spot all together in favor of rounding out other skills.

    ---Your UMD 23 My UMD26
    ---Your Search 18 My Search25
    ---Your Disable 23 My Disable25
    ---Your Open Lock 12 My Open Lock26
    ---Your Balance 15 My Balance18
    ---Your Jump13 My Jump28
    4) I reworked your feats. I
    removed Resilience, Imp Crit bludg., and Stunning Blow. I AddedPower Attack, Combat Exp., and Skill Focus UMD.
    You could always swap back in Stunning blow in the place of Combat Exp since it is pretty nice to have


    Maybe something more like this:

    Code:
    Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.5.1
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    Level 20 Lawful Neutral Human Male
    (12 Fighter \ 1 Monk \ 7 Rogue) 
    Hit Points: 322
    Spell Points: 0 
    BAB: 17\17\22\27\27
    Fortitude: 15
    Reflex: 16
    Will: 13
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
    Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
    (32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
    Strength             15                    26
    Dexterity            15                    20
    Constitution         14                    16
    Intelligence         12                    14
    Wisdom               14                    16
    Charisma              8                    10
    
    Tomes Used
    +2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                     Base Skills         Modified Skills
    Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
    Balance               6                    18
    Bluff                 1                     6
    Concentration         2                     5
    Diplomacy            -1                     2
    Disable Device        5                    25
    Haggle                3                     4
    Heal                  4                     5
    Hide                  2                     9
    Intimidate           -1                     2
    Jump                  6                    28
    Listen                2                     3
    Move Silently         2                     9
    Open Lock             6                    26
    Perform              n/a                    n/a
    Repair                1                     2
    Search                5                    25
    Spot                  6                     7
    Swim                  2                     8
    Tumble                4                     7
    Use Magic Device      3                    26
    
    Level 1 (Rogue)
    Skill: Balance (+4)
    Skill: Bluff (+2)
    Skill: Disable Device (+4)
    Skill: Haggle (+4)
    Skill: Heal (+2)
    Skill: Jump (+4)
    Skill: Open Lock (+4)
    Skill: Search (+4)
    Skill: Spot (+4)
    Skill: Tumble (+2)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
    Feat: (Selected) Toughness
    Feat: (Human Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting
    
    
    Level 2 (Fighter)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh
    
    
    Level 3 (Fighter)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Use Magic Device
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
    
    
    Level 4 (Rogue)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Skill: Balance (+2)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Jump (+2)
    Skill: Open Lock (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+3)
    
    
    Level 5 (Fighter)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    
    
    Level 6 (Fighter)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Iron Will
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
    
    
    Level 7 (Rogue)
    Skill: Balance (+2)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Jump (+2)
    Skill: Open Lock (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+3)
    
    
    Level 8 (Fighter)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Jump (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    
    
    Level 9 (Monk)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Jump (+3)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
    
    
    Level 10 (Fighter)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Jump (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
    
    
    Level 11 (Rogue)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Jump (+1)
    Skill: Open Lock (+4)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
    
    
    Level 12 (Fighter)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Jump (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting
    
    
    Level 13 (Fighter)
    Skill: Balance (+0.5)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
    
    
    Level 14 (Rogue)
    Skill: Balance (+2)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Jump (+2)
    Skill: Open Lock (+2)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+3)
    
    
    Level 15 (Fighter)
    Skill: Balance (+0.5)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
    
    
    Level 16 (Fighter)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Jump (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack
    
    
    Level 17 (Rogue)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Jump (+2)
    Skill: Open Lock (+3)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+3)
    
    
    Level 18 (Fighter)
    Skill: Balance (+0.5)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Combat Expertise
    
    
    Level 19 (Fighter)
    Skill: Balance (+0.5)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
    
    
    Level 20 (Rogue)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Open Lock (+6)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+3)
    Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
    Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
    Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I
    Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II
    Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
    Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
    Enhancement: Kensei Khopesh Mastery I
    Enhancement: Kensei Khopesh Mastery II
    Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
    Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
    Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
    Enhancement: Fighter Kensei II
    Enhancement: Fighter Khopesh Specialization I
    Enhancement: Human Adaptability Dexterity I
    Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Strength I
    Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
    Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
    Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I
    Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing II
    Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
    Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
    Enhancement: Rogue Assassin I
    Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
    Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
    Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
    Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
    Enhancement: Rogue Hide I
    Enhancement: Rogue Hide II
    Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently I
    Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently II
    Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I
    Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II
    Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
    Enhancement: Fighter Strength II
    Enhancement: Fighter Strength III
    Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
    Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II
    Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III
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    Just curious, what does 7 levels of rogue give you over just 6 levels? I haven't played a rogue since the level cap was 14, but I recall that you get 1D6 SA every 3 levels so the break point would be rogue 6 not 7. Just thinking a better split might be 12 Ftr/6 Rogue/2 Monk for the extra feat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vengenance View Post
    Just curious, what does 7 levels of rogue give you over just 6 levels? I haven't played a rogue since the level cap was 14, but I recall that you get 1D6 SA every 3 levels so the break point would be rogue 6 not 7. Just thinking a better split might be 12 Ftr/6 Rogue/2 Monk for the extra feat.
    7th gives you a total Sneak Attack of +4d6

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vengenance View Post
    Just curious, what does 7 levels of rogue give you over just 6 levels? I haven't played a rogue since the level cap was 14, but I recall that you get 1D6 SA every 3 levels so the break point would be rogue 6 not 7. Just thinking a better split might be 12 Ftr/6 Rogue/2 Monk for the extra feat.
    Every odd lvl gives 1d6 so at 20 have 10d6 before capstone or anything else that adds to it.

    So at 7 gets 1d6 more sneak attack couple enhancements and such. Another monk gains 1 feat and evasion (already has from rogue)and on this build not needed.
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