With the TWf nerf whats the best melee DPS?

[Killoss]

Just curious on what people think is the better melee DPS builds ... I tend to prefer DPS=Def/Life over DPS>Def/Life

I had sent a Pm to a high lvl on argonesson when I was a noob and asked if my buld was okay ( I don't remember who for the life of me)

Not going into specifics as most people know how to swing a big weapon.....

I made a dwarf pure fighter specing dwarf axe mods+ kensai greataxe mods and all the other slash feats etc etc

He told me that was the best DPS/tank build end game and I tend to agree, I like my dwarf axe fighter I use the greataxe with the crit feat to good measure for nice high near 200pt crits at lvl 10 buffed, when approached with a tanking situation I still have the free Daxe feat+ axe spec from the dwarf line and a hardy +5 shield for higher AC.

IMHO I think that is the best DPS and tank build for melee ranking way up on the DPS charts but bland and plain for Def.

Soo finally.. Ideas tips? whats the better DPS melee builds?

[Consumer]

Title being best not max you will get a lot of different opinions.

Your Dwarf Fighter will be trumped by a WF Great Sword user due to better weapon choice and better enhancements.

The problem with sending a tell to high levels is that most of them are oblivious to actual DPS numbers and go by what they think is best. As getting to level 20 is a matter of time rather than skill you will find a lot of bad players at cap.

The ->best<- is imo a WF epic SoS using Fighter.

However when U7 comes out Rogues will be able to take the Oppurtunist feat taking their already top DPS even higher, when this happens the damage they can give out (over 650 DPS) will outweigh the cost of having low HP.

[Killoss]

true, I thought the WF route too tho, may have higher DPS but at what a cost for the lower heal rate from clerics and Unless your a twink probabley lower AC due to docents being very rare ( I can't seem to find good ones anyways).


Although great input thanks, I've tried a bit of the WF, not really my type.

As far as the rogue thing... I don't see that coming anytime soon *in a working perspective* I just wish they'd come out with the sorc evoker already! lol

[Dwarfo]

The ->best<- is imo a WF epic SoS using Fighter.

you mean a WF fighter using a epic SoS? lol

[Khanyth]

28 pt 2HF Dwarven Savage of the Wild premade path.

F.T.W.

Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.... and don't be impressed or tricked by "numbers" or "facts"

Savage of the Wild. Dwarf. 28 pt. 2HF.

It's the only way to go.

[Qezuzu]

After U7, Rogues will be able to increase their DPS by up to 12% (most may take 9/6%, as Improved Evasion and Crippling Strike are both very good. I'm planning on taking Improved Evasion+3xOpp once I TR). With a RadianceII rapier, which is also getting a bug fix in U7, you can rip almost any trash to shreds. Even yesterday, using AP 30% haste boost, haste the spell, and SUBTLE BACKSTABBING 20%, I took a Redname's aggro from a TRed WF Barbarian (who was also attacking, by the way, and also had haste) in an Epic quest.

Rogue are supreme DPS, but have many weaknesses. First off, they are unable to Sneak Attack Undead, Constructs, Elementals, and Oozes. They have very low AC (my 20rog only has 32. Even with optimal gear you can't get anything very useful in endgame), and lower HP (not as low as some say. +400 HP is very obtainable with decent gear. You can get +200 HP from items alone).

And not only can Rogues DPS, they can also use UMD to be self-sufficient, and can, of course, get rid of traps.

[Dylvish]

Title being best not max you will get a lot of different opinions.

Your Dwarf Fighter will be trumped by a WF Great Sword user due to better weapon choice and better enhancements.

The problem with sending a tell to high levels is that most of them are oblivious to actual DPS numbers and go by what they think is best. As getting to level 20 is a matter of time rather than skill you will find a lot of bad players at cap.

The ->best<- is imo a WF epic SoS using Fighter.

However when U7 comes out Rogues will be able to take the Oppurtunist feat taking their already top DPS even higher, when this happens the damage they can give out (over 650 DPS) will outweigh the cost of having low HP.

I dont know about weapons selection, but for stats and bonuses (More str, more enhancement bonus) I would have to say that after U7 Horcs > WF for 2h fighter damage, although they wont be as tough as WF.

[Aaxeyu]

you mean a WF fighter using a epic SoS? lol

It's the epic sos that uses the fighter!

[JustWinBaby]

Pure Halfling Rogue of course

+17d6 for SA damage? I like. 3% chance to Double-strike? I like.

[Crystalizer]

what twf nerf are you talking about OP ?
about dps many threads give you a good idea of the best dps builds
my choice atm is a dwarf monster, and i started a pure halfling rogue
anyway in ddo the best dps class changes regularly, play the build you like the most
as long as you play a melee class and dont gimp your build, this is mostly a question of time to get the best dps items/weapons

[Guilllotine]

what twf nerf are you talking about OP ?
about dps many threads give you a good idea of the best dps builds
my choice atm is a dwarf monster, and i started a pure halfling rogue
anyway in ddo the best dps class changes regularly, play the build you like the most
as long as you play a melee class and dont gimp your build, this is mostly a question of time to get the best dps items/weapons

I agree with this opinion. The "best" melee dps changes all the time. You can never go wrong with fighter however, whether hes a THF or TWF. They just rock all around. Especially with horcs available.

[Razcar]

I would say the best DPS was my gf when I put a new blue t-shirt in the white laundry by mistake. She must have topped 650-700, but she does have Favored Enemy: Chaotic Boyfriend.

[Consumer]

I would say the best DPS was my gf when I put a new blue t-shirt in the white laundry by mistake. She must have topped 650-700, but she does have Favored Enemy: Chaotic Boyfriend.

Should have cast hold monster, although after that I could imagine her being red named.

[Razcar]

Should have cast hold monster, although after that I could imagine her being red named.

Purple, mate, purple. Purple named, purple faced, purple laundry

[LordSemaj]

you mean a WF fighter using a epic SoS? lol

In soviet Eberron, sword swings you. Nah, he actually meant WF epic-sos-using Fighter, but didn't use the dashes.

I dont know about weapons selection, but for stats and bonuses (More str, more enhancement bonus) I would have to say that after U7 Horcs > WF for 2h fighter damage, although they wont be as tough as WF.

This. Half-orc 2H Fighter with an SoS will be swinging for barbarian levels with a hell of a lot more feats to pump it. Life/Def is also a bit easier when you CAN be healed by the cleric.

Pure Halfling Rogue of course

+17d6 for SA damage? I like. 3% chance to Double-strike? I like.

The sneak attack damage is around 75 per swing when a rogue hits a mob that can be sneak attacked (many many can't) and effectively COUNTS as critical damage so it is not multiplied while fighters are already hitting for over 100 with maximum accuracy and power attack while being capable of multiplying that supremely through power criticals. Fighter capstone is also +7% better than that rogue's chance to double strike.

[AylinIsAwesome]

This. Half-orc 2H Fighter with an SoS will be swinging for barbarian levels with a hell of a lot more feats to pump it. Life/Def is also a bit easier when you CAN be healed by the cleric.

You can get over 100% healing amp on a Warforged.

The sneak attack damage is around 75 per swing when a rogue hits a mob that can be sneak attacked (many many can't) and effectively COUNTS as critical damage so it is not multiplied while fighters are already hitting for over 100 with maximum accuracy and power attack while being capable of multiplying that supremely through power criticals. Fighter capstone is also +7% better than that rogue's chance to double strike.

Sneak Attack damage doesn't "count" as critical damage. The only thing they have in common is that they're both stopped by Fortification their similarities end there.

Opportunist also lowers mob Fortification, something which the Fighter capstone doesn't do.

[LordSemaj]

You can get over 100% healing amp on a Warforged.

You can get over 200% on a non-Warforged.

Sneak Attack damage doesn't "count" as critical damage. The only thing they have in common is that they're both stopped by Fortification their similarities end there.

Critical damage is multiplied. Sneak attack damage isn't, because it's already critical damage.

Opportunist also lowers mob Fortification, something which the Fighter capstone doesn't do.

Granting the rogue the occasional sneak attack while the fighter is outputting continuous high damage. Balances out against Fortified mobs, severely topples to the fighter's favor against unshielded ones.

[AylinIsAwesome]

You can get over 200% on a non-Warforged.

And...somehow not having over 200% is the same as "not being able to be healed"?

Critical damage is multiplied. Sneak attack damage isn't, because it's already critical damage.

Sneak Attack damage is not "critical" damage. The only thing the two have in common is that both are blocked by Fortification.

I don't know how I can make that any clearer.

Granting the rogue the occasional sneak attack while the fighter is outputting continuous high damage. Balances out against Fortified mobs, severely topples to the fighter's favor against unshielded ones.

Lowered fortification also grants extra critical attacks as well you know. The Rogue can get the highest DPS, but it's situational on not having aggro and not fighting things with lots of Fortification.

[PopeJual]

OP, when you say, "the best," what do you want to be the best at?

Do you want to be the best at killing Evil Outsiders like Demons and Devils?

Do you want to be the best at rampaging your way through Epic content?

Do you want to be the best at rampaging through very high level non-Epic content? (and I've heard convincing arguments that Elite Amrath quests are harder than some Epics)

Do you want to be able to do all of this on your own or are you okay with needing a Cleric/FvS babysitter who has their blue bar plugged directly into your red bar with an IV?

Even if you're just looking at straight up Damage Per Second, you still have to be more specific. Are you looking for DPS vs. generic monsters in most quests? vs. Undead and Constructs? vs. Demon/Devil bosses? vs. 0% fortification? 50% fortification? 100% fortification?

These details make a big difference. Yes, I know that this is a thread necro, but I still think that people who ask this kind of question need to understand that they won't get useful answers unless they get a little more specific.

[Gulnar13]

A WF monk. With eSoS implanted as FISTS.

Seriously; imho, prolly a HO under 25%, barbarian or fighter, with eSoS. Or, against demon/devils, a KotC HO paladin with eSoS. Under 25%.