Epic lvl 7/8/9 selection

[josejgcosta]

What are your opining about lvls for epic game play? do u agree with this selection?

Lvl7
Otto disco ball | FoD | DbF [I bring waves of exaustion on scrolls]

Lvl8
Incendiary cloud | Otto's Irresistable Dance | Polar Ray

Lvl9
Wail | Energy drain | Meteor swam (ok this one last spell is not the best selection but I just love it and i want to have much more fun playing)

[questions and notes:
should i trade mass hold for wail or energy drain? my school focus is evocation not necro
i still got enervation, is energy drain tht necessary?]

Thks in advance

[ZeroTakenaka]

What are your opining about lvls for epic game play? do u agree with this selection?

Lvl7
Otto disco ball | FoD | DbF [I bring waves of exaustion on scrolls]

Lvl8
Incendiary cloud | Otto's Irresistable Dance | Polar Ray

Lvl9
Wail | Energy drain | Meteor swam (ok this one last spell is not the best selection but I just love it and i want to have much more fun playing) [question should i trade mass hold for wail or energy drain? my school focus is evocation not necro]

I would switch out Meteor swarm for mass hold.

Your lvl 7 and 8 choices are fine except the incendiary cloud can be changed out.

[shagath]

Meteor swarm is cool and all but you will be weak with epics if you don't have mass hold monster. It's must(not really but makes it a whole lot easier, faster and people let you join their groups again).

As a sorc. I didn't use energy drain at all, only enervate. With sorc cooldowns and casting time, it worked very well. So swapping something for enervate, waiting 3 days and then switching energy drain to mass hold monster would work also. If you are WF, stay with energy drain as one enervate usually isn't enough so you end up complicating your play... Unless that's ok for you.

EDIT: ps. also you get greater spell pen for enervate(an example items: Torc of Prince-Raiyum-de II and Rainment of the Fervent or you could also use some random greater spell pen item).

[Carpone]

As a sorc. I didn't use energy drain at all, only enervate.

So what's your plan when running elite ToD? Energy Drain and Flesh to Stone are invaluable for orthons in part3 if you want to maximize melee damage on Horoth (and portals starting with U7). F2S is also amazing in epics for mobs immune to hold.

Lvl7 -Otto disco ball | FoD | DbF [I bring waves of exaustion on scrolls]

Good luck getting through boss spell pen using a scroll. It's less of a concern in U7 when the slow portion of Waves doesn't work on bosses.

Lvl8
Incendiary cloud | Otto's Irresistable Dance | Polar Ray

Lvl9
Wail | Energy drain | Meteor swam (ok this one last spell is not the best selection but I just love it and i want to have much more fun playing)

L8 spells are fine, it's what I use.

As noted elsewhere, Mass Hold > Meteor Swarm. While I currently have Wail of the Banshee, I'd consider swapping it out for Meteor Swarm.

[shagath]

So what's your plan when running elite ToD? Energy Drain and Flesh to Stone are invaluable for orthons in part3 if you want to maximize melee damage on Horoth (and portals starting with U7). F2S is also amazing in epics for mobs immune to hold.

Enervate 2x + F2S perhaps? Enervate is 1d4 and Energy Drain 2d4 so same effect and usually around same sp cost for two enervates than one energy drain. Enervate hits better anyhow with greater spell penetration so you will be get your target stoned faster.

Anyhow I'm not running elite ToD regularly but I was running epics.

[fuzzy1guy]

7: Waves, Symbol of Stunning, Mass invisibility

Waves CAN work off a scroll. but you're wasting several scrolls to get thru SR. same for mass invis if you run alot of epic. may as well load them up and save a few plat.

8: Irresistable, polar ray, trap the soul

And spend the money on tts :P

9: Energy drain, wail, mass hold monster

energy drain is NOT 2d4. its 2d8 levels.

[soulaeon]

Meteor Swarm is so much better than Fireball, and I basically use that instead of Scorching Ray most of the time.
I would switch Energy Drain for something else, and go with Necrotic Ray instead if you want the debuff. Necrotic Ray is nice, because it does about as much as any of your raised lower level spells (like Frost Lance) and has the debuff added. I play a Frost-Fire spec, so this is one of my very few non-elemental attacks that works on almost everything.

[shagath]

energy drain is NOT 2d4. its 2d8 levels.

Hmm. Compendium and in-game description says differently. "Gives enemies 2d4 negative levels." @ http://compendium.ddo.com/wiki/Spell:Energy_Drain

Btw, OP states that this was a question about epics, not about elite tod btw.

[Auran82]

Hmm. Compendium and in-game description says differently. "Gives enemies 2d4 negative levels." @ http://compendium.ddo.com/wiki/Spell:Energy_Drain

Btw, OP states that this was a question about epics, not about elite tod btw.

Dice change: 1. Rest of game: 0

Energy Drain does 2 to 8 neg levels (or 1d4)

[blitzschlag]

Dice change: 1. Rest of game: 0

Energy Drain does 2 to 8 neg levels (or 2d4)

fixed that for you (bold).

[Auran82]

Yeah, I realised that after I typed it, lol.

[Carpone]

Btw, OP states that this was a question about epics, not about elite tod btw.

Elite ToD + Suulo in U7 for the chest is more mana intensive than any epic quest in the game, including epic VON and epic DQ.

[shagath]

Elite ToD + Suulo in U7 for the chest is more mana intensive than any epic quest in the game, including epic VON and epic DQ.

Yes, true but that's not the point. OP is about spell selection for epic, not about how much spell points("mana") you need for elite ToD in a future. Stay on a topic please.