being told to do something that you know your character is not built to do

[phalaeo]

yeah that's great. bully for you. want to boast some more? in this particular thread? maybe you should create another thread instead.

but for those of us who find this DIFFICULT i am SICK of being told 'you should be able to do x,y,z'

closing the browser now before i really get annoyed.

I'm sorry.

No, really- I am. Didn't mean to make you upset, I was merely using it as an example that I understand where you are coming from... it sucks when people tell you that your character can or can't do certain things and people *especially* like to tell Clerics what they can or can't do.

My point was that Clerics are not all cookie-cutter Healsacks- we're all built, specced and geared individually and most of all, we are humans behind that little flamey symbol. I guess I could have said it better, but my intent was to convey that if people just want a mindless bot, they should get a hireling. Until then, they should really respect others' limits, abilities and comfort level.

I'm totally sorry that my post upset you.

EDIT: PM sent to Meli... best to you in Clericing. <3

[TigrisMorte]

... the leader however decided that the best way to do the end battle was for me to cast blade barriers in the corridors....I told them i didn't have heighten and i really really wasn't comfortable about taking aggro...that's what they've seen person xxx do on their cleric...that clerics MUST BE ABLE TO DO X,Y,Z...going to cry now ...

You gave approp. details to leader. Leader instructed anyway and you followed instructions.

This makes you better than 80% of players I have PUGed with.

The leaders ability to lead is not in your control.

Don't cry, If you inform the leader of your abilities and they don't listen this is not your fault.
Just smile and nod and know you are a good team mate, whatever the outcome.

[Emili]

sorry mel, my clr raised the bar on that one

I do it but... am not crazy bout doing so. Heathier or Ailiae (who'd evasion) am jumping circles in there... and always someone else in the background out of sight screamin' "Hjeal me!" and getting ticked off cause you're focus'd on the task at hand - being more on yourself.

[Emili]

Folonius the bbs and sorc cloudkill wasn't so much for dmg as for aggro management. and i know everyone goes on and on about ooze puppet but i am yet to actually be in a party where that has been used.

i guess this is more a thread about what a *player* feels that they can do and what the *character build* is capable of. Sammiich only has 285hp. one smack in the face by a living spell and she's pretty sick. she's very much a support cleric with a bit of casting. i am not the fastest player or that good at avoiding stuff. i know that in situations like that me getting any aggro is not going to be good.

and yeah ta Aranticus - ty so much for raising the bar


i am however unhappy with how i managed being in that group. normally i can laugh and joke and persuade but this time i got really grumpy and snooty. maybe it's time to stop playing for a while.

Oooze puppet works so well ... if you've a high dps group those living swarms grab up all the argo and the rip thru boss before you need to recharm... a couple clouds preset and ooze puppet I can actually walk back to the shrine and wait outside when enlarge is on if I wished to.

... and do not fret, when I've not played my cleric or arcane for a while am so rusty takes a few quests just to find the bloody spells again... You play a great caster be it arcane or divine and if anyone disputes it - tell them Emi said so.

[azrael4h]

Sounds like last night. During the guild run, which we ran on hard due to the insistence of the Paladin in the group, we had a near wipe because of such ****. Normally he fusses about me never doing anything but healing, as I tend to GC everything, then BB them.

Last night, We're walking towards a room, and he asked for a Blade Barrier. I heard it quite clearly. So I shrug, run forward, and drop the barrier. The three Melees, rather then form a line, scatter, and let me and the Wizard try to tank. After nearly wiping, but recovering, he gets on my case about casting blade Barrier, and insists he didn't ask for one. Since no one else was paying attention before, I was on my own. I also didn't heal him for awhile.

Less than two minutes later, he asks for a Blade Barrier again. This time everyone paid attention, and heard him... So he couldn't claim he wasn't calling for it. Didn't bother casting it. I did destruct the critter that was tearing him a new one, GCd another group, and helped the wiz finish off some archers (he was disintegrating them, I destructed some). Then I healed the barbarian, who hadn't taken much damage, had a higher kill count, and didn't start calling for heals when he was at 90%.

Normally we let him take charge, but here lately he's led us into a number of near wipes. This is irrespective of whose running the Cleric. It's enough that I'm close to retiring my Cleric completely from Guild duty, which means she'll be effectively retired, as I won't pug as a Cleric. It also means we have only one Cleric at level with most of the guild, his.

[Folonius]

i am not the fastest player or that good at avoiding stuff. i know that in situations like that me getting any aggro is not going to be good.

I understand where you're coming from, I've been there a few times myself besides my ranger where a group expects you to do something, and you know it won't turn out well. If there is something you know you can't do, then don't do it. If you try it to see if it works and it doesn't, regroup and try something else.

If you aren't built for DPS and someone wants you to DPS they should have gotten someone else.

[spencerhawk]

/hugs melly

you are a great cleric mel, how many times do i have to tell ya before you believe it?

btw do you want me to beat them up for you? :P

[Aranticus]

Sounds like last night. During the guild run, which we ran on hard due to the insistence of the Paladin in the group, we had a near wipe because of such ****. Normally he fusses about me never doing anything but healing, as I tend to GC everything, then BB them.

Last night, We're walking towards a room, and he asked for a Blade Barrier. I heard it quite clearly. So I shrug, run forward, and drop the barrier. The three Melees, rather then form a line, scatter, and let me and the Wizard try to tank. After nearly wiping, but recovering, he gets on my case about casting blade Barrier, and insists he didn't ask for one. Since no one else was paying attention before, I was on my own. I also didn't heal him for awhile.

Less than two minutes later, he asks for a Blade Barrier again. This time everyone paid attention, and heard him... So he couldn't claim he wasn't calling for it. Didn't bother casting it. I did destruct the critter that was tearing him a new one, GCd another group, and helped the wiz finish off some archers (he was disintegrating them, I destructed some). Then I healed the barbarian, who hadn't taken much damage, had a higher kill count, and didn't start calling for heals when he was at 90%.

Normally we let him take charge, but here lately he's led us into a number of near wipes. This is irrespective of whose running the Cleric. It's enough that I'm close to retiring my Cleric completely from Guild duty, which means she'll be effectively retired, as I won't pug as a Cleric. It also means we have only one Cleric at level with most of the guild, his.

if it were me, i'd either get tha paladin booted from guild or i leave

[AylinIsAwesome]

Sounds like last night. During the guild run, which we ran on hard due to the insistence of the Paladin in the group, we had a near wipe because of such ****. Normally he fusses about me never doing anything but healing, as I tend to GC everything, then BB them.

Last night, We're walking towards a room, and he asked for a Blade Barrier. I heard it quite clearly. So I shrug, run forward, and drop the barrier. The three Melees, rather then form a line, scatter, and let me and the Wizard try to tank. After nearly wiping, but recovering, he gets on my case about casting blade Barrier, and insists he didn't ask for one. Since no one else was paying attention before, I was on my own. I also didn't heal him for awhile.

Less than two minutes later, he asks for a Blade Barrier again. This time everyone paid attention, and heard him... So he couldn't claim he wasn't calling for it. Didn't bother casting it. I did destruct the critter that was tearing him a new one, GCd another group, and helped the wiz finish off some archers (he was disintegrating them, I destructed some). Then I healed the barbarian, who hadn't taken much damage, had a higher kill count, and didn't start calling for heals when he was at 90%.

Normally we let him take charge, but here lately he's led us into a number of near wipes. This is irrespective of whose running the Cleric. It's enough that I'm close to retiring my Cleric completely from Guild duty, which means she'll be effectively retired, as I won't pug as a Cleric. It also means we have only one Cleric at level with most of the guild, his.

if it were me, i'd either get tha paladin booted from guild or i leave

I would do the same thing.


In one of my previous guilds, one of the officers treated me as her own person heal-bot, yelling at me if I did anything besides heal and buff her characters.


...me being in that guild didn't last very long...

[azrael4h]

if it were me, i'd either get tha paladin booted from guild or i leave

There are six players in the guild, and thats it. We also run a weekly session on skype, and talk through the week; in real life he's not a bad fellow, for someone from Norway. He just has his ideal character archetypes; Clerics are one thing and one thing only: healers. Same for every other class, Paladins carry a sword and a board, only sometimes drawing a larger two-handed blade. Barbarians swing a big axe, Rogues sneak around and disarm traps, and Wizards hurl great fiery balls. His strategies revolve around those ideals.

And he got his tonight. If it didn't require me and another guildy getting our butts tore apart as well, it'd be funny. I hope his repair bill matches hers though, 100k plat at level 12. Most of that junk is getting scrapped I think.

At least he does invest heavily, and has saved several wipes. Of course, it's mostly because he uses his CC to extend his hp and sp bars indefinitely. I tried that with the sp pots, and didn't like the resulting game style. It sucked.

It's the major difference in our Clerics; I only have sp pots after an extended run with my Monk, who finds them laying around like bags of potato chips. Thus, I don't cast a full, empowered maximized heal unless I need it. And since I actually have the highest hp in the guild on my Pally, at just under 300 at the moment, I'm the only one that actually needs it.

It's kinda foolish when I get at half hp, and I see a 400hp Heal hit me. I'm still trying to figure out why the Barbarian in the guild has fewer hp at a level higher.

I expect we'll have an issue very soon, as we both have been arguing for a run into VoN raid. We haven't run any raids because there's only 6 of us, and one has thus far refused to pug the rest of the slots. I at least only refuse to pug on my Cleric. I suspect, very greatly, that this kind of thinking will be a problem in a harder environment.

I did have a player in a pug try to make me be their personal hireling heal bot, back when I first started ddo and didn't know better about pugs. They ended up getting no healing whatsoever. I don't play defense well. Only took me two pugs to quit pugging entirely, and only recently have I started trying it again, mostly on my Monk. Who can self heal, and avoid quite a bit of damage easily enough that I don't really need anyone else.

[Aranticus]

There are six players in the guild, and thats it. We also run a weekly session on skype, and talk through the week; in real life he's not a bad fellow, for someone from Norway. He just has his ideal character archetypes; Clerics are one thing and one thing only: healers. Same for every other class, Paladins carry a sword and a board, only sometimes drawing a larger two-handed blade. Barbarians swing a big axe, Rogues sneak around and disarm traps, and Wizards hurl great fiery balls. His strategies revolve around those ideals.

And he got his tonight. If it didn't require me and another guildy getting our butts tore apart as well, it'd be funny. I hope his repair bill matches hers though, 100k plat at level 12. Most of that junk is getting scrapped I think.

At least he does invest heavily, and has saved several wipes. Of course, it's mostly because he uses his CC to extend his hp and sp bars indefinitely. I tried that with the sp pots, and didn't like the resulting game style. It sucked.

It's the major difference in our Clerics; I only have sp pots after an extended run with my Monk, who finds them laying around like bags of potato chips. Thus, I don't cast a full, empowered maximized heal unless I need it. And since I actually have the highest hp in the guild on my Pally, at just under 300 at the moment, I'm the only one that actually needs it.

It's kinda foolish when I get at half hp, and I see a 400hp Heal hit me. I'm still trying to figure out why the Barbarian in the guild has fewer hp at a level higher.

I expect we'll have an issue very soon, as we both have been arguing for a run into VoN raid. We haven't run any raids because there's only 6 of us, and one has thus far refused to pug the rest of the slots. I at least only refuse to pug on my Cleric. I suspect, very greatly, that this kind of thinking will be a problem in a harder environment.

I did have a player in a pug try to make me be their personal hireling heal bot, back when I first started ddo and didn't know better about pugs. They ended up getting no healing whatsoever. I don't play defense well. Only took me two pugs to quit pugging entirely, and only recently have I started trying it again, mostly on my Monk. Who can self heal, and avoid quite a bit of damage easily enough that I don't really need anyone else.

the other way is for you guys to roll up different toons, use the pretense of trying out another class and tell him to roll a healer

[azrael4h]

the other way is for you guys to roll up different toons, use the pretense of trying out another class and tell him to roll a healer

He's already the only other Cleric in the guild. In fact, he has two Paladins, and two Clerics, and nothing else. Won't play anything else either. They don't even look significantly different, all blonde haired, blue eyed males. There's also no difference in the builds, just that he has two at one level range, and two at another.

[CrescentCalling_5]

Haven't been told to do anything insane like that on a cleric yet :P but on my Rogue some idiots kept saying "do more DPS do more DPS"

I literally had to quit D&D, plug in my mic, log back on, and scream at the idiots for about a minute that the targets were UNDEAD.

[Saaluta]

Aww Meli Sorry you had a bad run in ETK, that quest can suck. I've had quite a few bad pugs in there, best to go guild, ER, or Prophets with that one sweetie Then your cleric can pretty much pike it

Saal

[Jiirix]

I am on my Cleric only for two month and its my first toon over level 5. I got that one on a regular basis: Ill join a lfm with says: Quest X on normal/ hard. And then the leader will say: We got a cleric, lets do it on elite. Most of the time ill reply: I am new and its my first/ second time on the quest. Sometimes it works but most of the times the other players will insist on the harder level because they want to "get it done". I really messed up a party on Tears of Darkan on elite, but i HAD told them it was the second time for me and the lfm only said norm/hard. I was a little bit ashamed about the whipe and soloed for a few days. The giant in redwillow ruins on elite - same thing. If the others hadn't made it for the save spot it would have become a whipe, too. Perhaps some of my class can handle it, but as a "young" cleric my balance check sucks and I know that. The group didnt belive me and so I laid between stomping giants until dead and had to watch the other shot them slowly to death.