running around buffless makes your cleric cry

[Phidius]

It makes my cleric smile, actually. I'll pass out a buff if someone asks nicely, but if they run off on their own and get themselves perished that's their own fault.

It gets a lot easier once you only PUG quests that you don't need help with. That way, you can enjoy socializing without the stress.

[FlyingTurtle]

Oh and while on the subject of buffs. I've had people throw Fire Resist on me five times and say 'hey, my Fire Resist isn't working on you Numot'.

I've actually been stupid enough to do that to myself. Running Proof is in the Poison, got my special-occaisions-only Yogg-Ratha armor of Acid Resist on, in the middle of the quest, I look up and see "oh noes I have no acid resist, it must have run out!" and cast it on myself (extended, too). Hmm, nothing happens, must be a glitch, cast it again, ... oh, wait. *facepalm*

[DasLurch]

step 1: Soulstone In Pocket
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Profit.

This! :d

+1

[Rydin_Dirtay]

You are exactly right with the OP. But like a lot of threads here, the people that REALLY need to read this, are not reading it.

[Nexx]

Am I the only one that's still trying to figure out if Nexxi is posting only in Haiku form?



And Mel, the nooblets are just trying to help - chasing down soulstones is good for the complexion.

No **** it! I like to type that way
to reduce a whole wall of text.

Instead I want to create a "slice" of text.

[SisAmethyst]

Step 1: Soulstone in pocket
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Profit.

There might be a problem with Step 1.

No not that there aren't any Soulstones, but there is probably not enough place in the backpack

[Nexx]

There might be a problem with Step 1.

No not that there aren't any Soulstones, but there is probably not enough place in the backpack

Well, you know you gotta start
tossin those Masterwork items away sooner
rather than later.

[Spoonwelder]

Even I as a cleric hate waiting for all the buffs....ie. Shroud Part 1 and everyone needs 40 odd buffs. I fire 5 mass buffs in 10 seconds and don't need anything else. Maybe wait 10 more seconds to wait for the bard buffs to finish due to song length then we should be good to go.....

[NaturalHazard]

I have the same problem on my bard, no one wants blur/good hope/ bardsongs/ haste? well if they can do without them fine, but i hate it when people sprint off as soon as they zone in and expect me to buff them. Esp for buffs that are mass. If you sprint off to me that means you dont need/want my buffs.

[BlackSteel]

bard songs n haste is about the only thing I'll wait for in most quests.

I carry just about every other buff I could want myself thru clickies. And I very much prefer to NOT be blurred or displaced in order to use stoneskin in combination with health procs (lifeshield, con op, and demonic). having up to 90 temporary HP is kinda nice, and is a nice buffer for damage that cant be negated other ways. blur n displacement typically means I dont get my temporary HP, so I end up taking MORE damage than normal.

[NaturalHazard]

Thats why when I ask does anyone want blur? you say no thank you, unfortunately haste and bardsongs are the last things I cast because of the duration, so if people want them before they dash of and have to wait 10 seconds for me to cast blur good hope on the people who want it, well tough.

[Tholar]

Step 1: Soulstone in pocket
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Profit.

I knew I had seen this someplace before.



So are you saying that all clerics should be morphed into underpants gnomes?

[MeliCat]

Oh and while on the subject of buffs. I've had people throw Fire Resist on me five times and say 'hey, my Fire Resist isn't working on you Numot'.

Ten seconds earlier, I'd typed something like "Numot does not require fire, elec or blur (have all on items)".

/palmface.

yeah. people miss stuff though because they're talking in 3 different chat windows and over voice - lots of communication streams here

My pet peeve with buffs is when I announce "I'm buffing FOM and FR," I finish buffing the raid, then announce "Did FOM and FR on everyone." Then 1 minute later someone else buffs the whole raid with FOM and FR, despite me repeating that I've done it when I notice it happening.

OH I HATE THAT! i *so* agree with you. lol. it's got to the stage where i just pike until it's clear no one else is buffing and *then* i'll pass out the appropriate buffs. so stupid too if you're about to go into VOD and really only one arcane and one divine needs to buff.

Thats why when I ask does anyone want blur? you say no thank you, unfortunately haste and bardsongs are the last things I cast because of the duration, so if people want them before they dash of and have to wait 10 seconds for me to cast blur good hope on the people who want it, well tough.

nah Natural - seriously as a bard learn to buff on the run. haste, rage, IC and everyone is running. ask if they want GH and just blur all the melees (and displ in big battles). it really is an art learning to buff on the run but it's lots of fun i love seeing if i can get the whole party with one haste and do a little cheer each time i do... bards can make a huge difference to the efficency of the party and the stress on the healer (if a healer is even needed - smart play and correct buffing often means very little healing needed so the divine can use their sp to smack stuff too)

You are exactly right with the OP. But like a lot of threads here, the people that REALLY need to read this, are not reading it.

true. but it's nice to have a whinge here.

Even I as a cleric hate waiting for all the buffs....ie. Shroud Part 1 and everyone needs 40 odd buffs. I fire 5 mass buffs in 10 seconds and don't need anything else. Maybe wait 10 more seconds to wait for the bard buffs to finish due to song length then we should be good to go.....

lol. stuff that for a joke! go on semi-speed or speed shrouds only. minimal buffing only. i think i do mass prots and haste and then go. any buffs you really want ask for on the first portal - and no you don't need true seeing unless a portal keeper casts displacement on a portal. melees don't tend to shrine until the end of part 2 so you check that on the 2nd last portal and throw anything needed then. whoever is soloing or duoing the elemental gets fire and fom and go go go. all the boss mobs in part 2 and 4 and 5 have true seeing so blur/displ is useless and trash mobs are usually dead pretty fast. very little buffing needed in shroud agreed.

learn to run your own - much faster and more fun - speed shroud 18-22mins, semi speed usually about 25mins.

[MeliCat]

If I run off, I don't need your buff cause I can self cast it/have an item/don't need it cause its not relevant to quest completion. No, I don't need anything other than fire, fom and relevant mass buffs in shrouds 4 and 5. If I need fire I'm on my fighter, and my fire resist item displaces an item I would rather have, or I wouldn't need that either.
Blur is a waste because harry has TS, and if you have issues against trash in part4 you have issues so its not worth the time to put it on the full party. If you want it in part5 something is seriously wrong, since by the time you cast it on everyone in the party all the named guys will be dead and... harry still has TS. Sonic pots more than cover orthon damage. Poison pots last more than long enough for both parts if you didn't die in the middle, so drinking them is more than sufficient for each part. GH comes on clickies, etc.
Basically, expecting people to want a bare minimum of buffs is ok, but expecting people to wait around while you toss them stuff that isn't hardly useful at all, and just clutters up their buff bar so they can't see short duration important buffs is pretty rude. If someone is fully buffed with everything in ToD then they cannot see if they are cursed or not, other than that they won't be healed, and had it pop up on their screen once, and have a circle over their head (which is right by 11 other heads, or potentially hidden by being backed into a corner tanking.
Also, if you want to buff people with everything, then do it fast or on the run in most quests. Theres no reason to stand at the door while you give everyone fire resist unless in less than 20 seconds in you will be taking a ton of fire damage, you can do it on the run.

dear Zombiekenny let me see... in this wall of text you've called me incompetant, rude, slow, demanding and clueless. thank you for your contribution to this thread.

[noinfo]

If I run off, I don't need your buff cause I can self cast it/have an item/don't need it cause its not relevant to quest completion. No, I don't need anything other than fire, fom and relevant mass buffs in shrouds 4 and 5. If I need fire I'm on my fighter, and my fire resist item displaces an item I would rather have, or I wouldn't need that either.
Blur is a waste because harry has TS, and if you have issues against trash in part4 you have issues so its not worth the time to put it on the full party. If you want it in part5 something is seriously wrong, since by the time you cast it on everyone in the party all the named guys will be dead and... harry still has TS. Sonic pots more than cover orthon damage. Poison pots last more than long enough for both parts if you didn't die in the middle, so drinking them is more than sufficient for each part. GH comes on clickies, etc.
Basically, expecting people to want a bare minimum of buffs is ok, but expecting people to wait around while you toss them stuff that isn't hardly useful at all, and just clutters up their buff bar so they can't see short duration important buffs is pretty rude. If someone is fully buffed with everything in ToD then they cannot see if they are cursed or not, other than that they won't be healed, and had it pop up on their screen once, and have a circle over their head (which is right by 11 other heads, or potentially hidden by being backed into a corner tanking.
Also, if you want to buff people with everything, then do it fast or on the run in most quests. Theres no reason to stand at the door while you give everyone fire resist unless in less than 20 seconds in you will be taking a ton of fire damage, you can do it on the run.

Sorry I think you missed the OP point here by a mile. If you have all those things and can live without stuff then go ahead. Her point is do not go runnining off if you are missing stuff you need to survive or you have no idea what you need to survive in a given quest. IMO if you go running off without buffs because you believe you are geared then thats fine, just be prepared for the consequences should you be wrong, as a cleric or fs in that situation, I may or may not bail you out. If you are not geared or not sure then show commonsense and work it out.

As for overbuffing, sure not all buffs are required but if you are in a PUG particulary leveling I would rather see them overbuffed and survived (10%) than not.

And curses? Seriously if your not sure, just pop a pot to be sure. If your tanking either of these and you need to be worried about curses (ie not wf) then really you should not be getting hit or cursed that much anyway.

[noinfo]

and before you have a go at me i'm usually pretty fast - i don't make people wait 10mins for me and am pretty fast on the buttons the second you get up from shrining. i even got complimented today on being a speedy cleric lol.

I will go with speedy, yelling at us poor people with full backpacks to get back from selling/looting so you can buff before part 4 of shroud.

Completely unreasonable

[sirgog]

dear Zombiekenny let me see... in this wall of text you've called me incompetant, rude, slow, demanding and clueless. thank you for your contribution to this thread.

It was a magnificent contribution, eh?

(runs and hides)

[MeliCat]

I will go with speedy, yelling at us poor people with full backpacks to get back from selling/looting so you can buff before part 4 of shroud.

Completely unreasonable

lol. you've been in one of my shrouds then lol


CALL ME SIR **** IT

[MrWizard]

just telling them I am gonna be in the quest is enough to make them cry..."LEROY JEEENNNKINNNNNSSSSSSS"


In all fairness to the players, it is a trained way of thinking.
My last two TRs that were brought up could not get resists even begging in text or chat about 90% of the time.
Seriously.

Many casters for some reason do not carry resist...or just about any other buff. You learn that it is you and only you, no buffs.
You learn how to do it.

Now they run with you and they are not expecting any kind of buffing. The only thing you can do is help retrain them.
I would think a nice how-to in the cleric/wiz forums would help out a lot.

[Scarecrow9]

monks dont need your mortal buffs
monks never die!
DING!