running around buffless makes your cleric cry

[MeliCat]

is it COMPLETELY unreasonable for me, a sucky cleric, to want my fellow party members *not* to run off immediately into battle without minimum buffs? (in this case resist fire, elec, dw)

i don't get that... i really don't get that.

and then *i* get blamed when i run out of sp and scrolls trying to keep up and heal people. (because i'm still running behind them trying to buff them too at the same time).

and before you have a go at me i'm usually pretty fast - i don't make people wait 10mins for me and am pretty fast on the buttons the second you get up from shrining. i even got complimented today on being a speedy cleric lol.

sheesh.

GET SOME BUFFS

and if your divine/arcane doesn't give you any resists and you know you need them, chug a resist 20 pot or put on a greater item. use that dw clickie. or GH clickie.

/rant off

i'm going to sleep. khyber drama do your stuff.

[sirgog]

Step 1: Soulstone in pocket
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Profit.

[unscythe]

If they run off, say in chat or vioce to hold up. Players sometimes forget and rely on others for the buffs. SO either they know what they are doing or they forgot.-For the decent players anyways.

Others will just run off, and you will hear a ding. So buffs would have just prolonged their death a little longer.

Depends on if its a raid of a quest really.


If people want buffs they will be assigned or ask for them. Buffing yourself is number one on the priority list if your a designated babysitter.

[Lithic]

I admit I always run off within 3 seconds of zoning in, because I am use to being in a group that lacks both arcane and diving characters.

[bunitchu]

Step 1: Soulstone in pocket.

this.....i would make a halfling cleric and use my small stature to tell ppl their soulstones are too big and heavy for me to carry...*halfling cleric runs away scared of the raging player ghosts*

[PNellesen]

Step 1: Soulstone in pocket
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Profit.

This. While I may not give out buffs immediately in a quest unless I know what's coming or the group asks for them, if I have any SP left before I shrine, I'll ask everyone to gather for some of the more useful mass buffs. Anyone who takes off before I'm done is on their own. Don't blame me for being a bad cleric if you don't have the sense to take a resist fire and PfE and then get toasted by the 5 fire elementals that are around the next corner...

[FlyingTurtle]

When I ask "who doesn't have resist X" (where X is a critical resist, have-it-or-fail for a given quest) it sometimes takes up to 30 seconds to a minute to get an answer. I dunno where it comes from, maybe some people need to time to overcome their tremendous embarrassment at coming into a quest without self-buffs. Or maybe they're searching through their backpack looking for the resist potion and came up empty. It's a mystery to me.

While all that is happening, I don't move, I don't chase after them trying to throw buffs onto a moving target, I just sit there until they either answer or run off. In the latter case, I'll assume they can take care of themselves, if they ding due to lack of resists, I apply sirgog's method.

[sirgog]

Oh and while on the subject of buffs. I've had people throw Fire Resist on me five times and say 'hey, my Fire Resist isn't working on you Numot'.

Ten seconds earlier, I'd typed something like "Numot does not require fire, elec or blur (have all on items)".

/palmface.

[MeliCat]

I admit I always run off within 3 seconds of zoning in, because I am use to being in a group that lacks both arcane and diving characters.

from this and your join date i'm going to assume you can buff yourself or will ask if you want a buff.

i do buff on the run. i do buff after rezz. i was talked to very firmly during bard training (running behind Quicktoe) NOT to say dumb things like 'gather' or 'group hug' or whatever and have learnt to buff at doorways/chests quickly and seamlessly.

but when players run off within 3 seconds of zoning in and *don't* buff, and then are *surprised* that i'm such a bad healer... um... yeah...

running around buffless makes your cleric cry.

and no sirgog... i really find it easier questing by level 17 in a full party... a full and *responsible* party.

[Zombiekenny]

If I run off, I don't need your buff cause I can self cast it/have an item/don't need it cause its not relevant to quest completion. No, I don't need anything other than fire, fom and relevant mass buffs in shrouds 4 and 5. If I need fire I'm on my fighter, and my fire resist item displaces an item I would rather have, or I wouldn't need that either.
Blur is a waste because harry has TS, and if you have issues against trash in part4 you have issues so its not worth the time to put it on the full party. If you want it in part5 something is seriously wrong, since by the time you cast it on everyone in the party all the named guys will be dead and... harry still has TS. Sonic pots more than cover orthon damage. Poison pots last more than long enough for both parts if you didn't die in the middle, so drinking them is more than sufficient for each part. GH comes on clickies, etc.
Basically, expecting people to want a bare minimum of buffs is ok, but expecting people to wait around while you toss them stuff that isn't hardly useful at all, and just clutters up their buff bar so they can't see short duration important buffs is pretty rude. If someone is fully buffed with everything in ToD then they cannot see if they are cursed or not, other than that they won't be healed, and had it pop up on their screen once, and have a circle over their head (which is right by 11 other heads, or potentially hidden by being backed into a corner tanking.
Also, if you want to buff people with everything, then do it fast or on the run in most quests. Theres no reason to stand at the door while you give everyone fire resist unless in less than 20 seconds in you will be taking a ton of fire damage, you can do it on the run.

[learst]

At least you're a cleric. How bout being a spellsinger bard in an undead dungeon? Where everyone dashes off? Makes you feel kinda useless for being in a party... I don't mind throwing targeted spell buffs on the run, but please a short group hug for songs, good hope, and haste isn't too much now is it?

[Astraghal]

Not unreasonable at all. I run into the opposite thing quite a bit though, getting the clerics to pass out the appropriate buffs for the quest we are about to undertake. Even after I ask them nicely.

There seems to be a culture of 'self sufficiecy' that exists among certain players, often those who think that vale quests are end game, where it's deemed 'needy' and thus uncool to ask for key buffs at the beginning of quests.

I sometimes even run into this in amrath quests, but usually people have learned the hard way by then, that their lives depend on getting basic buffs like resists, deathward, freedom of movement, blur etc.

I will wait to see what buffs are being passed out at the beginning of a quest, before piping up and asking for the ones that have been overlooked. For example, for rainbow in the dark I'll ask for fom and acid resist. For sins of attrition, I'll ask for cold resist and deathward.

Sometimes I have to ask multiple times and even then *crickets*. Other times I will get what I ask for, only to later find my teammates paralyzed and slowly dissolving inside a cube, or one-shotting themselves on a cinderspawn's fireshield because they only had 20 hp left after suffering 12 negative levels.

Did that cleric being auto-critted by an earth ele think that only I needed fom? Did that wizard who gave me fire resist not foresee the possibility of someone else stepping on a button?

Who can really say?

What I can say is, I carry ASOLUTELY every buff I can get in pot, scroll, wand or clicky form around with me. Someone needs to be alive in the end, to carry all the stones to a shrine.

[sainy_matthew]

At least you're a cleric. How bout being a spellsinger bard in an undead dungeon? Where everyone dashes off? Makes you feel kinda useless for being in a party... I don't mind throwing targeted spell buffs on the run, but please a short group hug for songs, good hope, and haste isn't too much now is it?

Yeah Bard versus undead sucks. If the party is not going to wait, i suggest piking. I hate to suggest piking but you're going to be of no use, i should know, i've played my share of bard in undead dungeons.

[Emili]

Yeah Bard versus undead sucks. If the party is not going to wait, i suggest piking. I hate to suggest piking but you're going to be of no use, i should know, i've played my share of bard in undead dungeons.

Shall they so as am buffing and my bloody patient worn thin and the party be more of an even pace type group...

1. My disruptors and bludgeoning greater undead banes are handy. Cast my buffs only on myself - long to short duration ending with haste and play my songs rebuffing on the run ...
2. Run past the party fighting mobs - hopefully are no real efficient arcane in group.
3. Play music of the dead cross every group of mob I encounter...
4. high tail it as far ahead of party as I may maintain (hoping the party sees fascinated mob and think I left it CC'd for killin')
5. I may kill a few mob along the way shall DA start to climb... but I wish to leave most the mob fascinated.
6. When I get to the boss I'll kill it!
   
   • finish the quest
   • loot the last chest
   • DD and rush out the door

I believe most long term players of bards ... will agree it is very nice to have music of the dead, fact is both my spell singer and chanter have it without loss to anything in Inspired courage or any of their other bardic ablities - quite simple bards are song. Invest in perform and your bard will perform for you.

[Nexx]

I feel your pain Meli!
I pretty much assume if they run off
that they really don't need my buffs so
I just buff whoever sticks around with me at the beginning.

If they tell me it was my fault
I kindly say it wasn't my fault that
they had run off and grabbed all aggro
and died.
(because well it wasn't)

Don't let them get to you,
I know it can be hard not to sometimes,
but we're only human and can only do
so much with what we have.

[ZodacBKB]

Oh and while on the subject of buffs. I've had people throw Fire Resist on me five times and say 'hey, my Fire Resist isn't working on you Numot'.

Ten seconds earlier, I'd typed something like "Numot does not require fire, elec or blur (have all on items)".

/palmface.

My pet peeve with buffs is when I announce "I'm buffing FOM and FR," I finish buffing the raid, then announce "Did FOM and FR on everyone." Then 1 minute later someone else buffs the whole raid with FOM and FR, despite me repeating that I've done it when I notice it happening.

[phalaeo]

I am use to being in a group that lacks both arcane and diving characters.

Underwater combat strikes again!!!

[Mts]

I feel your pain Meli!
I pretty much assume if they run off
that they really don't need my buffs so
I just buff whoever sticks around with me at the beginning.

If they tell me it was my fault
I kindly say it wasn't my fault that
they had run off and grabbed all aggro
and died.
(because well it wasn't)

Don't let them get to you,
I know it can be hard not to sometimes,
but we're only human and can only do
so much with what we have.

Am I the only one that's still trying to figure out if Nexxi is posting only in Haiku form?



And Mel, the nooblets are just trying to help - chasing down soulstones is good for the complexion.

[stainer]

Am I the only one that's still trying to figure out if Nexxi is posting only in Haiku form?

LOL. I wondered that too!

[hermespan]

When I ask "who doesn't have resist X" (where X is a critical resist, have-it-or-fail for a given quest) it sometimes takes up to 30 seconds to a minute to get an answer. I dunno where it comes from, maybe some people need to time to overcome their tremendous embarrassment at coming into a quest without self-buffs. Or maybe they're searching through their backpack looking for the resist potion and came up empty. It's a mystery to me.

While all that is happening, I don't move, I don't chase after them trying to throw buffs onto a moving target, I just sit there until they either answer or run off. In the latter case, I'll assume they can take care of themselves, if they ding due to lack of resists, I apply sirgog's method.

do you ask or say it in chat? I usually tell people over voice, to type in chat what they want. That makes it easy. You get their attention and don't need to sit there waiting for someone to talk again to know who asked for what.

If they run off, and start taking surge damage from AOEs, let them die. Before you res them, tell them why you let them die and tell them to wait for their buffs this time so you don't run out of spell points keeping their sorry butt alive.