14/x - What gives you the highest dps?

[BoBoDaClown]

Satisfy my curiosity.

With a minimum of 14 Bard levels, what splash gives the maximum personal dps (twf)?

I figure Halfling, with the following options:

1) 14/6 Bard/Kensai
2) 14/6 Bard/Tempest
3) 14/6 Bard/FB (Hard to wrangle, with the cleave feat as a pre-req).
4) 14/5/1 Bard/Rogue/Fighter
5) 14/4/2 Bard/Fighter/Barbarian

Anyone got a good idea on the numbers? Or other realistic builds?

Cheers

[AltheaSteelrain]

Satisfy my curiosity.

With a minimum of 14 Bard levels, what splash gives the maximum personal dps (twf)?

I figure Halfling, with the following options:

1) 14/6 Bard/Kensai
2) 14/6 Bard/Tempest
3) 14/6 Bard/FB (Hard to wrangle, with the cleave feat as a pre-req).
4) 14/5/1 Bard/Rogue/Fighter
5) 14/4/2 Bard/Fighter/Barbarian

Anyone got a good idea on the numbers? Or other realistic builds?

Cheers

I vote for 4, though I am a 5 :P

[Dexol]

Axesinger Dwarf Bard 15/Fighter 2/Rogue 3 is a very popular dps bard

[testing1234]

voting 4 also
if your a TR person with access to past lifes then more fighter feats might lend you higher dps excluding this 4

[Bardicus]

14/4 rogue/2 fighter seems better as 14/5/1 seems feat light as you only get 8 feats and I'd want at minimum 9:

WF: Slash
Toughness
PA
TWF
iTWF
gTWF
Extend
iCrit:Slash
Khopesh

[geezee]

6 Levels of rogue seems pretty nasty too.

[Thrudh]

I'd love to go 14/x on my bard.... but I think people expect a bard to have Inspire Heroics (+4 AC bard song - which you get at level 15 bard).

14/5/1 bard/rogue/fighter is what I'd like to have (or maybe even 14/6 bard/rogue), but I think I may have to settle for 15/4/1 instead.

[Consumer]

The Rogue levels give you the most DPS, however the DPS is very situational and cannot be applied a lot of the time. The 14/6 Bard/Fighter will give you the highest DPS that will not rely on you avoiding agro.

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=272543 - I wouldn't follow my build but I have outlined some of the splits

[Anthios888]

14 bard / 6 bard.

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

I had a few minutes to blow, nothing earth shattering, but every once in a while, I love to be different! How about bard 12, rogue 7, fighter 1? Max sneak attack bonus, max umd, max perform, near max songs, hero companion, evasion. Under the right circumstances, this build would do massive dps.

I prefer the 4 fighter/2 barb combo the best, however halfling rogues synergize like crazy. Going 12 bard you lose some bard abilities but maximize the rogue SA to hit and damage.

6 barb would be sweet if you went WF, but personally, I hate robots.

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Freddie Patek
Level 20 True Neutral Halfling Male
(1 Fighter \ 7 Rogue \ 12 Bard) 
Hit Points: 246
Spell Points: 367 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 12
Reflex: 19
Will: 11

                  Starting            Ending          
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats        
(32 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)        
Strength             16                 24            
Dexterity            16                 18            
Constitution         14                 16            
Intelligence          8                 10            
Wisdom                8                 10            
Charisma             12                 14            

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 20

                   Ending           Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 20)           (Level 20)
Balance              16                    16
Bluff                 2                     6
Concentration        11                    11
Diplomacy             2                     2
Disable Device       20                    20
Haggle                2                     2
Heal                  0                     0
Hide                  8                    12
Intimidate            2                     2
Jump                  9                    11
Listen                0                     2
Move Silently        11                    13
Open Lock            10                    10
Perform              24                    24
Repair                0                     0
Search               16                    16
Spot                 15                    15
Swim                  7                     7
Tumble                6                     6
Use Magic Device     24                    24

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Agility
Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Bravery
Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Keen Ears
Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Luck
Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Size Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Halfling Thrown Weapon Focus
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Rapier
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortsword
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortbow
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Trapfinding
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I


Level 2 (Rogue)
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Evasion
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I


Level 3 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Automatic) Trap Sense
Enhancement: Halfling Guile I
Enhancement: Halfling Hero's Companion I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I


Level 4 (Bard)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Automatic) Dismiss Charm
Feat: (Automatic) Fascinate
Feat: (Automatic) Inspire Courage
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Longsword
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery I
Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity I


Level 5 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage I
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song I
Enhancement: Halfling Hero's Companion II


Level 6 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Inspire Competence
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack I
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning II


Level 7 (Bard)
Enhancement: Halfling Guile II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II


Level 8 (Bard)
Ability Raise: STR
Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity II
Enhancement: Halfling Thrown Weapon Attack I


Level 9 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Suggestion
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery II
Enhancement: Bard Warchanter I


Level 10 (Rogue)
Feat: (Automatic) Trapmaking
Feat: (Automatic) Uncanny Dodge
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II


Level 11 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song II


Level 12 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II


Level 13 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III


Level 14 (Bard)
Enhancement: Halfling Guile III


Level 15 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Inspire Courage
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack II


Level 16 (Bard)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Automatic) Inspire Greatness
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage II


Level 17 (Bard)


Level 18 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning IV


Level 19 (Bard)
Feat: (Automatic) Song of Freedom
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage III


Level 20 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh
Feat: (Automatic) Heavy Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Tower Shield Proficiency
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack III
Enhancement: Halfling Guile IV

Note: I will not personally build a bard under 16th level for too many reasons to mention, but you did call for maximum DPS!

[Thrudh]

The Rogue levels give you the most DPS, however the DPS is very situational and cannot be applied a lot of the time. The 14/6 Bard/Fighter will give you the highest DPS that will not rely on you avoiding agro.

It's called a radiance rapier....

[Thrudh]

I had a few minutes to blow, nothing earth shattering, but different. How about bard 12, rogue 7, fighter 1? I will not personally build a bard under 16th level for too many reasons to mention, but you did call for DPS of a high order!

14 bard is the usual cut-off for song buffs (bards get the extra +1/+1 to hit/damage from their songs at 14)

Of course, some people say 15 is lowest cut-off for the Heroics Song

And others say 16 for the level 6 spells...

[SaisMatters]

It's called a radiance rapier....

QFR! along with a Lit2

[AltheaSteelrain]

14 bard / 6 bard.

You meant 14 bard / 6 barb?

Or is this a joke?

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

14 bard is the usual cut-off for song buffs (bards get the extra +1/+1 to hit/damage from their songs at 14)

Of course, some people say 15 is lowest cut-off for the Heroics Song

And others say 16 for the level 6 spells...

Im of the 16 cutoff, myself. 14 will grant you more dps, but 16 offers in my opinion better survivability and variety. Since the dps of a 16 is wicked, I just cant get excited about losing mass healing and irresistible dance, as well as spell dc. ...and as you said max bard songs and heroics are gold.

[Thrudh]

Im of the 16 cutoff, myself. 14 will grant you more dps, but 16 offers in my opinion better survivability and variety. Since the dps of a 16 is wicked, I just cant get excited about losing mass healing and irresistible dance, as well as spell dc.

I guess now with epics, irresistable dance is useful... Before when all end-game mobs had Spell Resistance, it was pretty pointless for a 16/x bard

[Sani_Medicor]

Axesinger Dwarf Bard 15/Fighter 2/Rogue 3 is a very popular dps bard

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that my 12brd/6ftr/2rog warchanter kensai dwarf would wipe the floor with him.

[Junts]

You meant 14 bard / 6 barb?

Or is this a joke?

She meant what she said!

Also, I concur.

[Thrudh]

She meant what she said!

Also, I concur.

A 20 pure bard may be a better character in some ways... but more DPS? Nope...

[Darkrok]

A 20 pure bard may be a better character in some ways... but more DPS? Nope...

More personal dps? No way. More group dps? I think that would depend on how geared you are and the makeup of your group.