Rangers

[stainer]

Not a good topic, nobody will defend the opposing view.

Someone will. I imagine it will go like this -

I don't know why you are on your high horse about crafting! It only takes me XX minutes to complete pem shard of power in part 1, and I don't really care that I can craft part 3 shards in the battlefield. You will wait on me! You people are so sensitive! It is just a game! I don't care that the leader said crafting at the end. Die in a fire!

[PopeJual]

Someone will. I imagine it will go like this -

I don't know why you are on your high horse about crafting! It only takes me XX minutes to complete pem shard of power in part 1, and I don't really care that I can craft part 3 shards in the battlefield. You will wait on me! You people are so sensitive! It is just a game! I don't care that the leader said crafting at the end. Die in a fire!

You forgot to include the word "elitist" in the imagined defense.

[96th_Malice]

i've seen more AA kiting in almost any quest/raid than any of those situations you described by a factor of 1000 : 1

Thats cause theres 1000 new freebee toons playing Arcane Archers !!

[Emili]

Someone will. I imagine it will go like this -

I don't know why you are on your high horse about crafting! It only takes me XX minutes to complete pem shard of power in part 1, and I don't really care that I can craft part 3 shards in the battlefield. You will wait on me! You people are so sensitive! It is just a game! I don't care that the leader said crafting at the end. Die in a fire!

Personally I rarely even loot along the way (even with a party looting enroute)... and the only shrines on end of part 2 and 4 exists to me unless on arcane then part one shrine maybe - depending on my mana after.

I do not care if they state they're crafting up front... I will counter state - fine you're piking position then and we're moving on "sorry." Crafting along the way is imposing upon eleven other people to take five to ten minutes of their time.

[Emili]

Thats cause theres 1000 new freebee toons playing Arcane Archers !!

Net point !

Does seem very 2005 early half 2006...

You get TWF feats for free. Try it occasionally.

xoxoxoxo,

stainer

I have three rangers for a reason... I always liked the class. Fact is my first character rolled up was a ranger. (see above response to 96th_Malice) as to why Emili was rolled a fighter. Early on in this game rangers were very difficult to build for actually fighting in both twf and archery - we only had 28 point builds, the cap was 10, four selectable feats and only four enhancement slots, The mob also sported some reasonable AC's in points. My and am sure many people's idea of a ranger is to utilize both twf and ranged abilities ... if you are not you're only using half the character's class. Many rangers fell short.

They started comming to life come desert and was not until giant hold and open enhancement system that they started to shine.

[Renvar]

Show me a breakdown for an Elf "Exploiter" build that has enough stats points to have good AC and be a decent trap-monkey that has a higher than 12 starting CON.

For a Pure pew-pew-pew build yeah, 14 is no sweat.

That is not an apples and apples comparison. You are making it sound like the 14 con would cost too many build points to make the exploiter work. But thats not fair. Typically exploiter builds are human. And for a good reason.

The exploiter generally starts with a 12 int and a 14 wis. Both are dump stats on a typical pure ranger. Now, typically those build points are coming from strength. Most exploiters are strength based but only start with a 15 str. a standard human line is 15/15/14/12/14/8. An elf could go 15/15/14/12/13/8.

You are losing 1 AC point from wisdom with no impact on skills or feats. The typical exploiter, with gear, will have an AC in the mid 60's. Is 64 vs. 65 that big a deal? The CON works. Stats allocation is not the problem.

The problem comes in the OTHER differences between humans and elves. Humans get extra skill points and an extra feat, both of which are needed. That is why evles are a sub-optimal race choice for that build. It is hard for the other races to overcome the loss of the feat and the the skill points. Dwarves can do it more easily than an elf, but the exploiter is designed to work with Humans.

To summarize: I should have been more specific. My comment was directed towards standard ranger builds which really only need 3 stats to be effective. Specialty builds, like the exploiter, that rely on 5 of 6 stats not being dumped and specific other racial characteristics are an entirely different animal.

[Emili]

Yea, on my Exploiter i have 18 open inventory slots, the rest are filled lol. I've gotten used to it tho

I do not think I have a single toon with 18 open inventory slots?

[KoboldKiller]

I think some people have missed the point.

It's not the class it's the player.

There's nothing wrong with playing an AA.

There's nothing wrong with using a bow more than melee if your an AA, that's why you took the line.

There's also nothing wrong with kiting if done properly (running backwards is NOT the proper way to do it).

This isn't a matter of the AA being bad it's a matter of the player being bad.

Having said all that, yes there comes a time to put the bow down and pull out some beaters.

[96th_Malice]

This thread needs something....ah I know...



pew pew pew

LOL !!!

Made my day !

[jkm]

I have three rangers for a reason... I always liked the class. Fact is my first character rolled up was a ranger. (see above response to 96th_Malice) as to why Emili was rolled a fighter. Early on in this game rangers were very difficult to build for actually fighting in both twf and archery - we only had 28 point builds, the cap was 10, four selectable feats and only four enhancement slots, The mob also sported some reasonable AC's in points. My and am sure many people's idea of a ranger is to utilize both twf and ranged abilities ... if you are not you're only using half the character's class. Many rangers fell short.

They started comming to life come desert and was not until giant hold and open enhancement system that they started to shine.

you forgot that when the level cap was 10, most group leaders demanded that rangers use shields

[SisAmethyst]

hehe, oh yes /+1

I love my Ranger, I like for example to manyshot a Beholder from distance and I like when I see from time to time that there are Rangers that still have some other weapons in their bagpack then just bows

[JDCrowell]

hehe, oh yes /+1

I love my Ranger, I like for example to manyshot a Beholder from distance and I like when I see from time to time that there are Rangers that still have some other weapons in their bagpack then just bows

Yea, I carry quite a few different Khopeshes, Warhammers, Bows, and other weapons in sets that fill almost 2 hotbars. All are situational. A couple of sets I use all the time as primary weapons. Then, of course I have my, GT, Vorpals, Metalline, Keen, etc... All perform better in certian situations. Versatility is the hallmark of a well played Ranger.

[NaturalHazard]

Oh right, I know which bow you're talking about. It says silver, but it's actually holy.

Edit:

So an Anarchic Longbow of Greater Evil Outsider Bane with silver arrows is better than the silver bow with silver arrows.
Edit again:
I got it ... no good to break DR. Would need Holy Longbow of GEOB.

Um holy of GLOB i think would work just as well on harry? and some others? if you cant find holy of GEOB. Im not sure but i think you can get holyburst of GEOB ect?
Anyway the good thing about the silver bow is its 1d10, most longbows cept for greensteel are 1d8 and if you got improved crit ranged the threat range when using it will be 17-20.

[NaturalHazard]

Yea, I carry quite a few different Khopeshes, Warhammers, Bows, and other weapons in sets that fill almost 2 hotbars. All are situational. A couple of sets I use all the time as primary weapons. Then, of course I have my, GT, Vorpals, Metalline, Keen, etc... All perform better in certian situations. Versatility is the hallmark of a well played Ranger.

Yes my ranger is a walking amoury and ive used all my weapon set slots, whats annoying is when i get a new weapon or an upgrade i got to resort all those combinations ect out all over again.

I think thats tone thing with 2wf, then you add 2-3 bows to the mix it takes up more space.

[JDCrowell]

Yes my ranger is a walking amoury and ive used all my weapon set slots, whats annoying is when i get a new weapon or an upgrade i got to resort all those combinations ect out all over again.

I think thats tone thing with 2wf, then you add 2-3 bows to the mix it takes up more space.

Haha, yea when I get a new weapon that I really want to use it usually makes me change a few of my sets to accomidate it. Then I end up clearing my hotbar and rearranging things.
It's kind of annoying, but I love having so many options.

[NaturalHazard]

Haha, yea when I get a new weapon that I really want to use it usually makes me change a few of my sets to accomidate it. Then I end up clearing my hotbar and rearranging things.
It's kind of annoying, but I love having so many options.

haha whats funny is when you havent used a certain type of weapon for a while then you run into a situation where you need it, and your trying to remember which slot is it? Its not good that I icey bursted a lot of my weapons cause a lot of them now all look the same.

[JDCrowell]

haha whats funny is when you havent used a certain type of weapon for a while then you run into a situation where you need it, and your trying to remember which slot is it? Its not good that I icey bursted a lot of my weapons cause a lot of them now all look the same.

That or it's sitting in the AH because either you thought you replaced it with something better, or thought you didn't need it anymore.

[NaturalHazard]

hehe im bad with hoarding stuff, ive rolled toon just for space to keep gear for when im leveling or even if i dont think i will use it i put it aside for maybe if a friend could use it. You never know what your going to get with the loot and i dont want to be leveling a toon and need a certain type of gear, but i sold it for 20k a while ago then look on the ah and they are all up there the cheapest for 50K.

Im even so bad that i even keep a weapon set thats the most effective for me for bashing on the **** combate dummy in the airship. Flaming burst maiming icy burst. And the other one is shockingburst maiming icy burst. rams might, haste, action boost and its down in 20 seconds.

[Sweyn]

That or it's sitting in the AH because either you thought you replaced it with something better, or thought you didn't need it anymore.

Junk is things you don't use for years, but 3 weeks after you throw it out you have a need for it.

[PopeJual]

Junk is things you don't use for years, but 3 weeks after you throw it out you have a need for it.

My house has enough junk in it that I end up treating Home Depot/Lowes as my storage locker.

If I'm not going to use it for years, I'll throw it out/give it away now and get another one when I do need it. It's like I'm paying them a storeage fee for keeping my basement clear for all those years.